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Cocaine use was a major problem in the 80's, which also gave rise to the crack epidemic which was even worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_epidemic

Santos was considered a "King Pin" under the law, which essentially meant that he had several people working under him and was also dealing with very large financial transactions (this by his own admission in the UC Berkeley video).

By today's standards the punishment may seem harsh, but at the time it was probably appropriate.

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So patronizing.

I was born in DC; I don't need the Wikipedia article on the crack epidemic.

You really think locking people up is what solved that problem?

So patronizing. I was born in DC; I don't need the Wikipedia article on the crack epidemic.

Put that on your profile so next time this topic come up we know. Seriously. I didn't know that about you and time and time again posters post something from the past to give context.

Context might explain why the "tough on crime" politicians pushed for mandatory sentences even for minor amounts.

I would say that playing to populist fears explains just about everything related to "tough on crime" politicians. It's also curious that the same "tough on crime" politicians seem for the most part surprisingly uninterested in the root causes of crime, such as poverty or lack of access to education.

Are you really sure that if there were no poverty and everyone had lots of education that there wouldn't be that kind of crime? Where are your real-world data to back up that idea?

Draw a map of drug-related violence. Draw a map of poverty. Same map?

No, actually, and you would readily observe that fact if you did just what you are suggesting that I do.

Correlation != causation. Come on - you're not even trying.

Didn't intend to be patronizing. Not everyone has witnessed the problem with their own eyes. They're left with the cartoon version of crack, the version they witness on shows like Dave Chappelle. Do I really think locking people up is what solved that problem? Short answer NO, but does cutting out the supply help? Yes. And in conjunction with treatment programs it's/was a start.

The first two sentences in this comment add nothing to the discussion. Is this kind of thing ok on HN these days?

I felt the comment was talking down about the crack epidemic. It's probably a function of age and location, but for some people (such as those with a history in the hardest-hit cities) it isn't that distant, as if to be something you'd look up on Wikipedia because you've never heard of it. I don't think that's all too unreasonable.

Your comment, on the other hand, does nothing but say that my comment is worthless.

The community here has shifted it seems. Comments like mine that questioned the way in which we argue used to be encouraged.

Probably appropriate? Is there a measure that can be used to show this? You get less time for murder where I live.

Arguably more damage is done to society from a mass distributor of cocaine than a single murderer.

I'm not saying that selling drugs is equal or worse than murder, just that there is a lot more to what happens when you distribute drugs than just moving around white powder.

Cocaine isn't that bad - I've watched it being administered to patients in hospitals prior to pituitary surgery. It does good him this situation. It's not that dangerous a drug. What it's bulked out with might be bad, but the real damage comes from it being (mostly) illegal.

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