While a lot of us who had started working with SQL in the 1980s, if not earlier, were perfectly fine with using it, many younger developers were scared away from it by these claims.
So we've had a generation of software developers who were essentially raised to hate SQL, and to embrace ORMs, even after it became clear that ORMs do come with some pretty serious trade-offs, and do not necessarily increase productivity.
Not having a solid grasp of SQL, a lot of these developers just don't realize what they're missing out on. I've seen this first-hand many times before. These developers will spent hours upon hours trying to get their ORM to perform a moderately complex query that could be easily written by hand within a few minutes, including any code necessary to perform the query and to retrieve the result. The time and effort expended on these sorts of queries will very quickly negate any time and effort the ORM may have saved for simpler queries. And these moderately-complex or complex queries always arise in real-world software.
I think that education is the only way to really solve this problem, but a lot of developers are quite set against this. Learning SQL isn't that much of an investment, but the returns it offers can be huge.
But I also think that people don't like the boilerplate that comes with direct sql access. I think they don't like the impedance that comes in reading and understanding code. And I think they want to hand off annoying, but critical, things like caching to a lower level they don't have to think about.
SQL is an important tool, and any developer, especially one who is using a framework like Django or Rails, would be wise to learn it, but ORMs still have value and it isn't all about "I don't know sql".
Most ORM systems will give you options. My experience was with Hibernate, which had let you do Object queries, Criteria queries, HQL queries, and finally raw SQL. You hardly ever needed to go down to raw SQL. It's nice not to worry about the particulars of the underlying SQL engine, and certainly you want serialization to be handled for you.
The OP is right though, you can't treat ORM framework as a total blackbox. You need to be aware of what it's doing else you can really get yourself in trouble.
So you have to learn
Object Queries
Criteria queries
HQL Queries
Raw SQL
HIBERNATE
And this has made your life easier has it? Hibernate is massively complicated, and you're right, it doesn't insulate us from the database, Not even slightly. So the amount of shit I now how to know has quintupled, just to persist an object!But hey, BOILERPLATE, right?
Yes it has. Belive me, it has. And it isn't nearly as bad as you make it out, certainly better than the alternative. If you have relatively simple relational data, and query requirements, you can get away with just Object and Criteria queries. Your code will thank you. For more complex queries, HQL will get you down almost to the bare metal. Why do that in lieu of raw SQL? I mentioned several reasons. One of which, is that the ORM layer does abstract the boilerplate of query to-and-fro serialization. More than that, it enforces constraints. Your DBMS doesn't give a shit whether ages should be in some valid range, or have some sort of valid format, or whatnot. Those constraints are in your object model, which is then automagically transferred to your SQL commands. Another reason is that you can now substitute SQL backends, trivially. Going from MySQL to Postgres is a one-liner. Another reason, caching is completely transparent. You can now plug-in any kind of caching engine and strategy with a one-line config change, and it's all completely transparent to your application. Another reason, your framework (JEE or Spring) probably has hooks to your ORM, which makes the integration completely seamless.
The thing is, if you didn't go with an ORM framework, you'd probably roll your own abstraction layer to take care of some (all?) of the above mentioned use-cases. You don't want serialization code, or caching code, or constraint-enforcing code littering your business logic. So this abstraction is good. There may be reasons to forgo an ORM framework, but I sincerely believe the vast majority of use cases will benefit from it.
I just don't think that will happen.
This type of thinking has to stop! Sure, some times it may be necessary to extract data from SQL and turn it into some type of object. However, most of the time it's enough just to get the data and work with the data directly.
Not too mention, what many believe as an OO solution is often times far removed from anything remotely OO.
I worked with redis extensively, and i got to the point where it was too dangerous to simply assume that none of the other guys on the team (or me) wouldn't put some garbage data in a field because from redis' perspective, every key looks the same and every value is as good as the next. We rolled our own abstraction layer, in which keys and values were wrapped in domain specific objects.
Programming languages, and databases are too general to be useful. If you don't 'constrain' them to your domain, you're going to get destroyed once your product or team scales to a certain size.
I.e., in pseudocode:
query = SQL("SELECT * FROM entities WHERE owner = ?", owner=me)
...
if some_condition:
query = query + SQL.WHERE("OR public = TRUE")
...
if other_condition:
query = query + SQL("LEFT JOIN things AS t"
" ON t.entity_id = entities.id") \
+ SQL.WHERE("things.value > 0")
...
my_nice_list_of_results = run(query + SQL("LIMIT ?", count))
This should be technically possible, but I haven't seen any library that does it.One reason for the variety of opinion on this is that different developers make more or less use of domain models in the first place. Those who are accustomed to writing all SQL completely by hand with no helpers at all, and not working with a domain model tend to view the stored procedure approach as equivalent. Those who are accustomed to having at least some simple marshaling layers like a construct that generates an INSERT statement given a list of column names see the SP approach as more tedious since simple techniques like that are usually not easily available, at least in more old school SP languages like TRANSACT-SQL and PL/SQL.
All of that said, I do think this is a problem that can possibly be solved. Postgresql allows SPs to be written in many languages, including Python. I have an ongoing curiousity about the potential to integrate a Python-based object relational system into a stored procedure system. But it might end up looking like EJBs.
That's one of the pain points RethinkDB is trying to solve, since you write your queries in whatever application language you use and it's parsed and executed in the cluster.
Views, stored procedures and functions can be used to help isolate duplication, parameterize the queries, or otherwise hide the SQL.
Code like you've posted is the result of taking DRY too far, to the point where avoiding a small amount of repetition ends up bringing in far more complexity and problems than the repetition might cause.
I believe, If someone'll take an SQL SELECT statements parser and create a library that'd generate SQLAlchemy query/statement object from them, such library will make development more productive.
SQLAlchemy was already mentioned. In the JavaScript world, there's node-sql. https://github.com/brianc/node-sql
I've always found it kind of odd how there are some people who despise SQL merely for its syntax, yet they'll turn around and advocate the use of libraries which mimic a SQL-like syntax in some other programming language (but do an absolutely terrible job at it).
The node-sql examples are atrocious, for example. It's even more obvious with the SQL so close by. The SQL statements are clear and concise, while the JavaScript version is nowhere near as easy to read.
At least LINQ gives the option of not having to directly deal with the method calls, which makes it marginally nicer to work with. Anything less than that, like we see with basically all other systems, is far less usable.
No, I use ORM because I love SQL. ORM doesn't replace SQL. ORM helps to generate the exact SQL I want with much less code.
I have seen application with thousands of stored procedures, most of them boilerplates, and only supports one particular flavor of RDBMS. I have seen too much hand-crafted SQL in the form of "@param_xxx IS NULL OR field_xxx = @param_xxx".
I used to think that Tom Kyte was right, that everything should be in stored procedures. Now, I am thankful for ORM (more specifically, SQLAlchemy).
One often wants to have several variants of a SQL statement, beyond simple placeholders for arguments. I've seen several projects that grow a lame templating syntax on top of their SQL strings, to the point that the SQL then becomes incomprehensible.
If this really bugs you, perhaps the ultimate solution would be to actually parse SQL.
query = sqlParse("SELECT foo FROM bar WHERE quux = 1")
query2 = query.clone().constraint("quux = 2")I believe that the phrase you're looking for is "lack of compositionality".
It's only bridge between sqlparse and SQLAlchemy that's missing. I guess, just because nobody had a wish, will and time to finish and share one.
I think that this is the "every problem in CS can be solved by another layer of indirection" part. You're basically sidestepping the issue of SQL not providing the functionality in the first place.