NASA has three smartphones orbiting the earth as mini-satellites
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These were supposed to launch about a year ago, but the rocket kept being delayed.
The phones are Nexus Ones (and a Nexus S, which I didn't work on so I cannot comment) with a custom kernel to enable their serial port.
Are these within reach of an individual to build, if not to launch?
If I build one, how do I launch it?
Why do the signals need to be crowdsourced over Ham?
What are your personal favorite/most cool applications for lots of cheap satellites?
* Yes, definitely. One of the sats was even hand soldered.
* You talk to NASA, the cost to launch one commercially would be around $20K. We mostly piggybacked on a rocket that was being tested.
* Because there was no budget for following these things on the ground, honestly :) Plus it gets people involved.
* We were talking about having these things detect circular cloud formations to indicate a possibly forming hurricane, and having a "real" weather sat take a better look on its next pass.
The phonesats waited in a box for more than a year in order to find room.
* Technical hurdles not really, but there was a lot of bureaucracy involved.
There's something shameful about how little attention the excellent Android project gets. Those are Nexus One phones, a phone from Jan 2010. I feel Android being open and mallable for NASA is pretty noteworthy, but the press just sells this as a "smartphone" instead of really discussing the technical platform that makes stuff like this possible so quickly and so cheaply.
Alternate theory: the media calls it a smartphone because it's, well, a smartphone.
Also, its a Linux phone as well, standing on the shoulders of all of the years of work poured into making an awesome kernel to build operating systems like Android off of. And the rocket used to launch the satellites. And microsatellite launch programs (like cubesat).
At the end of the day sometimes to get people interested in an article, you just need to find a simple human way to connect to their life--or in this case, their pocket.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3L7crGudVU
Finless rocket? How does it steer/stabilize? Do the engines have fine control over which side their fire perhaps?
I guess fins are useless outside of atmosphere anyway.
Another possible method of steering is to build four or more reaction jets around the rocket; could be fed with a monopropellant or exhaust from the main engine or its turbopump.
Anyway, almost all modern rockets don't use fins. They steer using thrust vectoring and attitude control thrusters.
...they don't start working until you're fast enough (quite high above the ramp, which is a sensitive area where you really need it) and they stop working once you leave the atmosphere (which is all too soon for an orbital carrier). Why bother with them?
This works well to cut down on mass and drag and is especially useful for silo/sub launched missiles where fins don't fit well in the launch tube.
You can find out more about who else is building this type of hardware here: http://cubesat.org/index.php/collaborate/suppliers
Not sure what it would be useful for on a personal level, but I bet they will come up with something.
I also wonder if they could send 1000 to orbit the moon or another planet in a network to do surveys.
Nice thought, but (unless the satellite is in geostationary orbit, very expensive) it won't work. Imagine having your own personal satellite that is only accessible for perhaps two short periods in 24 hours (for a mid-northern latitude location).
Better to have a subscription to a system with dozens of shared satellites in random orbits, available 24-7.
[edit] Here's a catalog of satellite orbits courtesy of NASA: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OrbitsCatalog/
Once this happens -- once cheap optical survey satellites come into existence (and they will) -- governments are going to go completely nuts. Right now, governments can put pressure on the few survey satellite operators to blur out certain sensitive locations (as in a recent story posted here). But once cheap satellites come into existence, that option will evaporate.
There's already a driver for this technology - flying the plane while wearing a head mounted display - a currently expensive niche hobby.
In your scenario, a small number of overflights each 24 hours would be more than enough time to download the stored data.
There aren't any rockets going to the moon, much less another planet, that they can piggyback on... so, yes, they could send 1000 to orbit the moon, but you would have to pay full freight on the rocket. Ouch.
People are currently working on doing this: http://www.lunarcubes.com/
It also isn't the first phone in space. The UK sent on up earlier this year.
If so, then NASA could use it for space?
This is an interesting read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening#Radiation-h...
Maybe they can just shield conventional chips with depleted boron.
(Not a bad read at all, yes.)
1. isnt this small enough to look like space debris, and maybe dangerous?
2. "The mobile phones are designed to be thrown around the room and for people to drop them in water. They're really robust bits of technology," -- i'm not sure how this physical durability has any bearing on its performance in near absolute-zero temps and in the radiation of space without being using radiation hardened silicon...not to mention that it would never be subjected to any of the things described.
The fact that they said this burns up when it runs out of "juice" implies that it is in very low Earth orbit, where the atmosphere still exists and imparts drag. These will reenter the atmosphere on a moderately predictable time scale and burn up. Space junk is only a problem at higher orbits which can be stable for very long periods of time without propellant.
As for 2... they put on up and it worked. What's the point of theorizing about how it might not work, when they've already done it? It might stand up to a good solar blast, but that's hardly a surprise, and if it's disposably cheap, who cares?
the phone itself might be cheap, but putting it up there is most certainly not (yet)...which is why most things that are designed to go into orbit are expensive :(
would you care to spend 150k+ to put a $300 cell phone into space for 2 weeks?
i think as long as launches are limited, the asking price will be kept artificially high anyways to render the cost of the actual satellite minimal compared to the launch expenses, regardless if it's $300 or $300,000 going up.
Although space is cold, due to the vacuum the biggest issue is getting heat away from the devices. That's why the main part of EVA suits is liquid cooling.
> radiation of space without being using radiation hardened silicon
They are only in low earth orbit, so the magnetic field of the earth would provide pretty good protection.
2. I heard somewhere that the batteries needed to be replaced but not much else did, don't have a reliable source for that though
http://www.nasa.gov/directorates/heo/home/CubeSats_initiativ...
There is significant interest in these small units (10cm on a side, but combinable up to 6 units) on the part of universities. Here's a list of the upcoming launches:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-073
I think that within NASA CubeSats are regarded with limited interest. The conventional route for a new satellite measurement from the lab to space is via airborne, or in some cases balloon-borne, experiments. That's how, say, new radar, lidar, hyperspectral imaging, etc., technologies are proven. Lab bench, field experiments, airplane, space.
http://amsat-uk.org/2013/04/26/ham-radio-cubesats-successful...
Or even some kind of contraption that slowly releases gas from the balloon as it detects lower pressure in the atmosphere to help it maintain altitude and prevent the balloon from rupturing?
The very early comms sat experiments in the 50s were just aluminised passive balloons that reflected radio signals bounced off them while in orbit. [1]. However they were there because they were put there by a rocket. I'm not sure if your question is implying that you could float your way up to LEO altitude. I suspect you couldn't with anything that could be engineered.
> Or even some kind of contraption that slowly releases gas from the balloon as it detects lower pressure in the atmosphere to help it maintain altitude and prevent the balloon from rupturing?
This is done already in two ways. One passively does what you describe - a zero pressure balloon - by having a hole in the bottom so helium leaks out as it rises. Eventually enough leaks out that the net lift is zero and it just floats.
The other is a super-pressure balloon [2] which does what you described in your first paragraph - it's strong enough to not explode until the pressure (and so density) of the helium inside increases relative to the outside atmosphere until the lift becomes zero. But we're still a long way from an altitude that could sustain orbit. These operate at relatively low altitudes like 45km/150kft. The drag and heating there would be enormous at orbital velocities!
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Echo [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpressure_balloon
Even if you could make it, I doubt it would work for very long.
Such a balloon would presumably be quite massive and probably impossible to maneuver. As such it would be a nice target for things that were actually in orbit (moving quite fast relative to it). It would probably become swiss cheese in the matter of days/weeks. (probably not a problem for the balloon itself I suppose, but I can't imagine anything you would be hanging from it would be happy with that.)
No, because balloons don't orbit, they follow the wind patterns at a lower altitude than the lowest satellite orbits. And they're relatively short-lived at altitude -- from seconds to days.
> Or even some kind of contraption that slowly releases gas from the balloon as it detects lower pressure in the atmosphere to help it maintain altitude and prevent the balloon from rupturing?
No, not "releases gas" -- that would lose the gas irreversibly. Instead, consider a scheme that used solar power to drive a pump to put some of the gas under pressure as needed, and releases it later as needed to maintain altitude. Sort of how a submarine maintains its buoyancy by filling tanks with either water or gas, depending on the need, and that does this by putting the gas under pressure to change buoyancy (and avoid losing the gas).
But balloons don't have very long lifetimes at the moment. This might change in the future.
That doesn't sound plausible but I could be wrong.
To get something into a stable orbit you have to get it high enough to avoid significant atmospheric drag. In practice this requires an altitude of at least 200km [1] - although even at this altitude an orbit will decay fairly rapidly. The IIS orbits at 400km and most remote-sensing satellites are at 500km+.
Contrast this with Helium balloons, which usually top-out at an altitude of 35-50km with the record being 53km [2].
To stay in low-earth orbit you also need an orbital velocity of 7.8km/s. A balloon launched at the equator has about 0.5km/s horizontal component of velocity due to the earth's rotation and will not gain any as it lifts.
What you could do is use a balloon to carry a rocket up to its height ceiling before igniting [3]. This saves on fuel, but there are safety issues caused by the non-steerability of the balloon.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Earth_orbit
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_altitude_record#Unmanned...
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-rocket_spacelaunch#Balloon
I was just curious if you could get the balloon to maintain an altitude within low earth orbit, without concern for where the balloon actually drifts.
I was imagining a way to get the balloon to behave as a buoy at sea (not anchored), floating above the thicker atmosphere the same way a rubber balloon or raft would drift at sea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_airship looks like what I'm thinking of.
For example, you could buy one of these: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10981
and then design a baseband yourself. I'm currently aware of at least three people that are working on this or have already done it. You'll need to actually take the time to learn how GPS works, and it'll probably take you about a year, but it's definitely possible.
1) Clouds. Major bummer.
2) Intermittent time on target - most the time when something interesting is happening, the satellite will be over some other place in the world. Geostationary satellites solve the "hover overhead" problem, but then see #1, #3, #4, #5.
3) Atmospheric distortion. Resolution is inherently limited unless you use adaptive optics.
4) The lens required to get decent resolution isn't going to fit on a microsat. See also #3.
5) Blurry pictures of the tops of celebrities' heads ain't gonna sell well.
There was talk of doing a Pirate Bay dirigible at one point.
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There are several factors that influence how much space debris a spacecraft will generate:
1. Surface area vs. density - If a spacecraft is large and has lots of floppy solar panels and things hanging off of it, it's much more likely to be involved in a collision, and if it is involved in a collision, it's more likely that it will generate secondary debris dangerous to other spacecraft.
2. Orbital lifetime - If a spacecraft is in orbit for longer, it's more likely to be involved in a collision.
Cubesats are usually very dense, with few or no deployable components. Cubesats are also typically deployed in a low orbit that has a short lifespan - less than 2 years or so.
There are of course exceptions to both of these rules, but the phonesats are not.
Though I generally agree that CubeSats are relatively safe / low junkyness.
In fact, most (US only maybe?) CubeSats have to demonstrate an orbital lifetime of less than 25 years to get a frequency allocated. (The FCC regulating space debris via frequency allocation is an interesting debate for another thread.)