Failed Startup's Final Income Statements Reveal Grave Error
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I think they thought that as long as they were winning the contracts from their competitors that they were doing well but if you don't accurately track your purchasing you will never know whether you are making money or losing money on a contract.
A lot of the comments on this thread are "can't they count?!" which to me seems to beg another "why." Maybe having a scapegoat allows him to avoid seeing realities. It seems like a psychologist would be as relevant as an accountant.
And, aside from being completely gossipy and unprofessional, the controller's account doesn't add up (no pun intended).
It amazes me that the normally astute HN crowd isn't digging deeper.
I think it's simple denial.
They've decided that they know what the problem is/was and being in a position of power surely have to shortage sycophants for reaffirmation.
I expect they'd see the situation quite clearly from the outside, abstracted from emotions and prepared rationalizations.
Reminds me of a tactic used by Skillshare. I sent them some feedback saying the class I'd just taken was terrible. They didn't offer me a refund (I hadn't asked for one), but they did give me a "scholarship" for the course amount - $20 back to PayPal, operationally identical to a refund. This way, they get to book "my" $20 as "revenue," and the "scholarship" as a "marketing expense."
The whole Ecomom story is tragic, and the lost life is the worst part of the whole story. Yet, I can't help but think that if someone else had been more forcefully stood up to Mr. Sherman's business model, the situation could have improved before it turned tragic.
"No Balance Sheet or Statement of Cash flows had ever been prepared"
I've not been involved in the finance side of a startup, can you really raise millions without any documentation at all? I mean, yeah, we all heard about the dotcom boom but that's all in the past, right? Or is it?
I've been on both sides of the start-up game. I worked at some and I've also invested in some. The first thing, without exception, investors want to see is a fairly comprehensive business plan.
I'm still wondering how this guy received millions of dollars with such a flawed business plan. Either the BP was completely bogus and he managed to hoodwink a lot of people for a few years, or several people just completely missed the boat.
Either way, it's jaw dropping what happened.
Toss the bad publicity into the mix while you're simultaneously trying to raise more funding and you've got a dark corner.
Yes, of course. Do you think Instagram had a "balance sheet" when they went to raise money? Replace Instagram with any other popular startup.
This is a different scenario, "we're just like amazon/walmart/wholefoods but greenwashed marketing and they have first mover advantage". Even greenwash marketing isn't a new idea. Its more like competing in the restaurant arena or maybe brick n mortar retail than real "startup".
Everyone should have and understand a balance sheet for their personal finances. You should know that your house is an asset, and the mortgage against it a liability.
Balance sheet != profits
I'm not even sure how businesses can operate without a way to organize and manage their organizational assets and expenses.
Technically you should understand how all three fit together; each alone could be misleading in its own way. But for many businesses the cash perspective is the closest to reality. If you only have time to understand one, deeply, that's the one.
I suspect most people look mostly at the P&L a.k.a. Income Statement. But that uses a lot of constructs (like "accruing" things over time) in a well-intentioned effort to tell a more-accurate story about the business. The problem is if you treat it as "hard numbers". Actually it's just one story about the business, a useful fiction with some truthiness value.
Think about the AOL example; from memory, the cost of customer acquisition was defensibly amortized over the expected subscription period (how long they stayed a customer). If that period is overestimated....
I remember when PayPal gave $10 to you just for signing up. (People of course signed up many times and got many bonuses. People howled about how they would never build a business if they had to buy customers.) I remember when Yahoo bought the domain Broadcast.com (and a few assets, but not really) for billions (with a b!) of dollars. I remember when Pets.com spent $10 million on advertising to get $500k in sales (not even net, sales). I remember when Amazon.com paid workers in a Seattle high rise to call mom-and-pop book stores in search of a $8 out of print book that had been ordered on the website. Etc., etc., etc.
I understand the urge to yell "bubble!" when reading these stories -- but comparisons to the dot com era is to make a mountain out of a molehill.
You gave some of the bigger examples, but I'd bet there were a lot of smaller failures in there, too.
I don't think that one is absurd. Sure, if their business model involves significant selling of cheap out-of-print books, that's not going to fly, but it's my understanding (would be thrilled if any industry insiders reaffirmed or corrected) that overwhelming majority of book sales aren't out-of-print books, and knowing Amazon'll do that kind of thing was good advertising. Like a loss-leader.
Smart companies are willing to invest heavily in new products, and base their pricing on long-term costs, not short-term costs.
Giving no thought to margins is one way to kill a startup. But paying too much attention margins is another way.
Amazon has been particularly smart about this. E.g., the Amazon Prime program. From what I've read, it more or less breaks even. They surely lose money on some people over some periods. But now that they've captured 90% of my on-line purchases, they can start squeezing out the costs. E.g., their move to set up local distribution centers and same-day delivery. Cheaper for them than using FexEx, and better for me. And utterly impossible for people too focused on per-sale profits to compete with.
I'm wondering how their next chapters are going to play out when (a) people get fed up with the automatic pricing mechanisms that keep dramatically changing the prices with no logical basis from a customer's point of view, and (b) too many bricks and mortar stores start to go under, and people can't browse there before sneakily shopping on-line afterwards any more.
Here's an obvious example from just this past week. Back at Christmas I bought the first season of a show, and after enjoying the first few episodes, I put season 2 on my Amazon wish list, which I basically use as a convenient bookmarking tool. At the time, both box sets were about the same price, and it was roughly the going rate for such things. A few weeks later, I'd finished the first season and went to order the second, credit card literally in hand, and found that they had basically doubled the price since I bookmarked it. There was no obvious justification, so I assume it was their automated pricing doing something funny. In any case, I immediately removed it from my wish list; I enjoyed the show, but not that much. Last week, I went back to take another look in case the price had come down again, but no, season 2 is still way more than season 1 and other comparable products. The following day, I learned that a TV channel I get is showing both seasons back to back, so if I just wait a few days I can have the whole thing for free. Score: Me 1, Amazon 0.
It's not as if this is the first time I've seen their pricing do silly (from a customer's point of view) things, or the first time they've annoyed me for that reason, but it's the first time it was so silly that I just walked away from a purchase without hesitation, and in this case clearly I'll never go back now. I've heard similar anecdotes from enough friends now to realise that I'm hardly alone, either.
This leads me to wonder whether all of this computerising and optimising that they are doing will backfire at some point, and a lot of the advantages they seemed to have in better pricing compared to bricks and mortar stores were actually temporary or illusory.
That act probably raised the expected lifetime value of many customers by far more than it cost.
The Reddit guys also had a lot of sockpuppets, and you see similar stuff on many success stories :)
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/06/reddit-founders-made...
If the above it's true, it's really scary. You should not be in any business, let alone commerce, if you don't get this basic stuff. Building a business is about making money - coaxing it right out of the unit economics - not raising money.
You cannot say someone truly gets that something is in their best interest if they think it's best to continue to do the opposite.
Long ago, I had an internship at a company that focused primarily on daily revenue. An email would go out in the morning with yesterday's sales figures. It omitted (for reasons I don't know) the gross margins.
Someone high up figured out "Hey, we can goose the numbers by running sales!" and so the sales went up - almost daily - and yes, indeed, the daily revenue $ went up and up.
I'm not sure what happened to the business, but I'm sure if you want to maximize daily revenue you can but if you don't pay attention to margin, well - you're in trouble.
I thought this was an isolated case but clearly anyone can fall into that trap. Very weird, especially when the data is staring you in the face. Reality distortion field? Incompetence? Willful ignorance? Some of each?
In startups and small companies, the problem has been exacerbated by a relatively recent obsession with growth uber alles. Growth, growth, growth, with little regard to whether growth is sustainable, or to how costs scale with revenue. Groupon is the ultimate lesson in the dangers of putting financial growth on a pedestal at the expense of all other considerations.
The problem is also made worse whenever founders run a company solely expecting to exit with a strategic buyout. If you're not really running the company as a going concern, you have less incentive to work toward long-term sustainable margins. We tend to glorify the big exit, and there's certainly a lot of hard work and skill that goes into achieving one -- but the highest peaks on the mountain of glory belong to whose who develop and run lasting businesses.
A professor in a business class in college used to put it this way, and I'll paraphrase: "If I want to start the world's fastest growing company, I can do that right now. It's not hard. I'll just start a business selling $100 bills for $90."
The metaphor was purposefully simplistic, but it's amazing how people seem to fall into similar business models without even considering that they have.
This is absolutely true. I'm getting downvoted farther down on this thread for a similar observation, and for attributing this obsession to the SV culture, in particular.
This article is attempting to assert that Mr. Sherman was literally incapable of understanding basic math (i.e. the concept of margin). I think it's more likely that he was well-aware of the definition but was focused on growth at all costs.
It's funny, because you look at companies like Twitter and Pinterest which come up to scale with absolutely no revenue model, let alone revenue. That seems to be "normal". Nothing to see here. But, when a company with actual revenue deeply discounts products to scale up, it's somehow shockingly bad.
I'm not arguing that Ecomom had the right strategy here. I actually think they did not (partly for the reasons you mentioned). But, then in the same universe Pinterest could become the darling with millions of users and no revenue model?
It's funny how twisted things are without people seeming to notice the contradictions.
When your business is all-online, even at scale, it may be feasible to figure out what you want to do after you make your service big (and indispensable).
But, there are still very real costs involved with the Pinterests/Twitters of the world--especially at scale.
Money lost is money lost. Whether it's because your price point doesn't allow you to recoup inventory carrying costs or because you have costs with no revenue.
But, I think the main point here is that it would seem more feasible to discount products and give up margin as a means to growth than it is to just grow with no idea of how you'll ever monetize.
I guess I don't understand what good it is to have a big, indispensable business without knowing how or if it would ever make money.
That we're having this discussion is kind of homage to how odd things have become.
I think this is a function of the marked difference in needs between companies that deal in physical goods and those that offer services.
It's funny, because it's all just business at the end of the day. Costs are costs. Revenue is revenue. Profit is profit.
And, the one that gets the relative free pass and accolades is the one that has only costs and doesn't even know how it will ever drive revenue, let alone turn a profit.
The whole entire absolute point of this story is that the company did everything reasonably well, except that they ignored margin, and the controller, who attempted to explain the problems to the CEO in terms of negative margin, has stated that the CEO did not understand margin.
So, the "good support" for my position is logic and common sense.
The controller contradicts himself too. On one hand he says the CEO didn't understand margin. On the other hand, he claims he understood it so well that he used his "master marketer" skills to deftly avoid the topic in management meetings.
The story also reads like gossip. Very unprofessional and reaching to establish a certain narrative. Sharing one end of overheard private converstions? Conjecture and opinions about Mr. Sherman? You are the controller. Stick to what you know (finances) if you want to be credible. The man has passed and you're writing TMZ-style accounts?
I just don't buy what people tell me if it doesn't make sense, no matter how close they are to the situation. In fact, if someone is very close, then they may have incentive to spin. And this smells like spin.
So, I think encouraging others to think critically about what they are being told contributes greatly to the conversation. Since when did the HN crowd just go along with nonsense without hyperanalyzing every shred? That's part of why I come here.
Yes, negative margins are bad, but they're a whole lot better than not selling the item at all (recovery). Inventory isn't as liquid as cash, and you can't use the excess inventory to pay salaries. There can be a real view of needing to liquidate just to get some cash to buy more inventory.
If you're not careful, however, you can easily get into the mindset "we'll take a loss on this batch, but we'll make it up next time" - and next time is no different.
Although folks are claiming the CEO didn't understand basic math I wonder if the problem was much more complex and nuanced. Haven't we all pulled an all-nighter to get a project "done" even though we knew that it would be buggy, and it would've been better to get good rest and merely admit to missing a deadline? I'm not excusing his alleged behavior, just suggesting that folks here might empathize a bit more.
Those who knew him spoke very highly of how nice he was. A genuinely nice guy. Hopefully most aren't judging him too harshly in light of that.
In this is, as the post outlines, an important lesson to founders from the sales/marketing side to not oversell yourself, not just to others but to yourself. This is part of the reason many VCs are reluctant to back companies founded by pure sales people, because such folks will oversell their own ideas to themselves and not look as critically. You MUST get to grips with fundamentals. You MUST understand the financial details of your business and not hand that responsibility off to someone else. I would also argue, though many disagree, that you MUST understand on some level of detail the engineering behind your product, even if you are not the level of coder your engineering team members hopefully are.
Pitching ability is necessary but not sufficient qualification for success as a startup founder. It's a very sad situation when someone pitches so far ahead of the curve they feel like they have no way out. Depression and despair is a frighteningly common situation to find yourself in as a founder. Help yourself by owning knowledge of all aspects of your business and THEN let the subject matter experts own the deep dive and the execution on those.
It looks like he did a "party round" with tiny investments from a lot of sophisticated investors, combined with bigger investments from less sophisticated investors, and none of them were competent and interested enough to exercise any oversight.
Jody Sherman ("February Won, Inc") (this is ecomom)
Zem Joaquin ("February Won, Inc")
Alan R. Greene, M.D. FAAP (CareDox, Inc)
Robert Beck BS, MS (EcoMom, Inc.)
John Daniele Hamel (The Cue Ball Group, LLC)
The only one I'd consider credible is Dr. Greene, and in general doctors are exceptionally shitty businesspeople.
Cueball is a small/unknown VC in Boston.
[1] https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/GINameSearch.jsp
[2] http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/pe...
Then I gave up, did google: "ecomom board of directors", and used the plausible-seeming info from Bloomberg Businessweek (which is like Crunchbase for everything outside Silicon Valley, and generally far more accurate). First hit: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/pe...
"First and foremost,the VP of Sales was compensated according to sales before discounts, not according to margin or profit. Our discount strategy resulted in enormous losses, but for the VP of sales the strategy optimized his bonus. "
It's called incentive based behavior, and it goes to show you that if you reward someone for the amount of shit they can sell without any consideration for margin, they'll give the damn shit away for free!
Sure, he understood it. Did he respect it as the prime directive? It seems not. But, plenty of companies would take the same approach and write down the losses to the cost of customer acquisition--pure marketing--with the idea being to recoup later.
That drive, BTW, is a side effect of high-pressure SV culture. Rather than build more methodically with an emphasis on creating rabidly loyal fans who are willing to pay a higher price for service, customer experience, etc, the goal was to grow revenue and customer base as quickly as possible by any means. In this case, it meant deep discounting.
So, instead of a simple misunderstanding of margin, the problem here seems to be more that this pressure caused him to embark on a strategy ill-suited to his product. Once he'd trained his customers to expect discounts so deep that he couldn't possibly profit, there was no turning back. It seems, instead, that the Zappos model would have been more suited to his offering.
But the relentless pressure for growth combined with the belief that he had access to more capital seems most responsible for his approach. I think it's possible that many rational people would have been lulled into making the same mistake, even with a clear understanding of margin. To say that he didn't understand that you have to sell a product for more than it costs to profit is nearly insulting.
You are stating your opinion based on disregarding the facts at hand because they don't align with your worldview, this is exactly how an intelligent person can end up not understanding something basic.
The individual who actually went over the financials in detail, and who actually knew Sherman, and who actually spoke to Sherman about the financial situation at the time is putting his reputation on the statement that Sherman did not understand margin.
He might be right, or he may be wrong, but he has a lot more backing to his opinion than you do.
Odd that you charge me with speaking out of turn while yourself presuming to understand my "worldview" and the thought process that led me to my conclusions. You're in my head now?
>He has a lot more backing to his opinion than you do.
And, I know my own "worldview" better than you do. Or would you like to explain my worldview to me? As well, I know better than you how I arrived at my own conclusion. It's simple common sense. What adult doesn't understand that a company profits by earning more than it spends?
I could be right or I could be wrong, but I will go with the rational conclusion.
Yes, I do believe that SV is a pressure cooker. I'm not sure if that one opinion represents a "worldview" and I'm not sure who actually disagrees with the observation, but you're certainly free to do so.
Still, that was literally just a side note (as I mentioned). It has no bearing on the ridiculousness of the suggestion that Mr. Sherman literally couldn't add, subtract, or multiply.
That's absolutely true, but that's more of an abstract observation of human behavior. On the other hand, the author is stating that Mr. Sherman literally did not understand the basic math of margins (ex: that the more products they sold below cost, the more money they lost).
In my opinion, that's a completely ridiculous notion. Such statements are insulting and fit with the tone of the article, which essentially attacks Mr. Sherman as incompetent and a virtual imbecile. The author appears to have some other motive to be so bluntly disrespectful to someone who has passed. C.Y.A.? Personality conflicts? Something else? Who knows? But, since Mr. Sherman is not here to defend his actions or rationale, it seems a shame to allow these ridiculous memes about him to thrive.
I'm sure there is valid criticism that one can heap on Mr. Sherman's days at the helm of Ecomom and the decisions he made (including the one to discount products and give up his margin). If one wants to critique that, then it's fair game. But, to sit around and suggest that the man literally couldn't understand basic addition and subtraction is ridiculous. It is no credit to the author to insult the man when he's no longer here to defend himself.
If he said exactly that. And, if he meant exactly that. And, If there's no other context. And if...
But, Phil seems to be unsynched with himself. On one hand he accuses Mr. Sherman of literally not understanding margins. On the other hand he clearly implies that Mr. Sherman deliberately avoided talk of margins/profits in a company meeting because he was a "master marketer" who "led a management meeting that focused on an awesome feel good marketing plan."
So, by that, he is clearly indicating that he thought Mr. Sherman understood margins well. So well that he was deft enough to avoid speaking of them; instead using his "master marketer" skills to somehow mislead management and divert their attention away from margins.
Completely contradicts the notion that he didn't know what margins were.
And why on earth is Phil speculating about one side of phone conversations that he overheard? That's not his place (as a controller), and it's amateurish at best.
There are some "interesting" statements being thrown around in the article. They seem to be gossipy, reckless and, at best, inconsistent.
I buy a shirt for $7, sell it for $10, and get $3 dollars profit and $7 to buy another shirt.
I was genuinely confused about the $10-3=$7 he was claiming he could use to buy more shirts, when it was already used to pay wholesale for the first shirt.
But maybe that was confusion about Return on Invested Capital, not confusion about margin.
Accredited investor, previous exits, etc - I am, too, skeptical of that margin statement.
But then again - I didn't know the guy. I've met plenty of savvy business people who don't understand depreciation/amortization, for example.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that he didn't understand margins. It's difficult to communicate how... decayed... your thinking can become under protracted stress that has gone beyond your ability to cope with.
You have a very limited budget of energy you can expend on doing anything in the day, and thinking, especially about things that are unpleasant to think about - like the reason you've lost - is incredibly costly. Basically all you want to do a lot of the time is lie in a dark room and sleep forever.
You know how, when you've been going at a program for a while, you can start to find it impossible to hold all the bits you know in your head? It's sort of like that, the number of things you can bring yourself to hold in your head at once nosedives, especially where they're unpleasant.
It's not implausible to me that he was mostly operating on cached habit and his thinking resources weren't large enough to stick the concepts together in any more. The poor guy went and offed himself subsequently, after all, he clearly wasn't reasoning with a healthy mind.
Whether he did or didn't understand it I don't know, but I can see how he might not have been in a position where he could.
One of the first jokes I ever heard at a startup was "We'll give the product away and make it up on volume!" Changing the joke to "We'll pay people to take the product and make it up on volume!" doesn't make it less obviously ridiculous.
I'm amazed they were able to hire employees, let alone find investors. Doesn't make the guy's death any less tragic though.
Saturday Night Live Clip (First CityWide Change Bank 2) http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi416284697/
what could possibly go wrong?
* Revenue $1.0MM
* Variable costs $1.5MM
* Fixed costs & admin $300K
* For a net loss of $800K
How can your variable costs exceed your revenue by so much? You might as well not be in business.
Someone must not have told him that anything related to online (or offline) retail loses money for at least 3 years, making any money at all after 5 years is considered amazing, and Amazon.com lost money for 12 years before it made any. The main personal attribute you need as an e-commerce executive is a strong stomach.
The reason for this is that investors hope that the wave of people moving their lives/shopping online will turn these big players into the next Walmart - which is almost exactly what is happening with Amazon now. So the strategy is not a terrible one, just a risky one.
Amazon was not profitable for 10 years, because revenue did not exceed variable+fixed costs. But revenue exceeded variable costs. They had losses for 10 years, but had positive margine.
Start a store with Shopify or Miva Merchant for a low monthly cost, work of of your house and sell your goods for more than they cost you. Ton's of folks do this and are very quickly profitable on a small scale.
If you are trying to be Amazon or Walmart and sell non differentiated products for rock bottom prices, then you are correct. But there are plenty of companies content to run $2 Million - $20 Million dollar businesses without having to go through the pain of losing money for 3 years.
For example I sell cases for mobile bluetooth speakers. Our Jambox case was profitable instantly and I paid for the first batch of inventory with revenue from a pre-launch sales discount. The first batch of inventory was paid for with sales before I had the product on hand. I packaged and shipped them out of my home office until it was a pain in the ass and now we use Amazon FBA. We use profits to purchase additional inventory at greater quantities to increase the profit margin. Rinse & repeat.
Granted this isn't Amazon scale but it's working. See Dodocase for another example (they are doing way better than us). http://mixergy.com/dodocase-patrick-buckley-interview/
One of the keys is to start small to prove the market so you don't end up with a shit load of inventory in your garage. Or better yet do what I did and sell them before you even have them made. We started with 50 units which I was fortunate to sell almost all of using pre-launch tactics before we ordered the inventory from our manufacturer.
Losing money at the profit level is fine, since that includes things like buying warehouses or developing technology.
Losing money at the gross margin level means you aren't even being paid for the goods you ship out, let alone the money you spend in infrastructure.
Ecomom: never had a gross profit. Amazon: has always had a gross profit.
http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Amazon.com_(AMZN)/Data/Gross_... and http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/ipos/filing.ashx?filingid=4268...
Amazon had that model for many years of operation. But it went public before it ran out of money. Call it the "cost of acquiring the market". The problem was that Amazon had a much bigger market to work with.
This is a big part of the reason why the current startup environment "feels" the same as the dot com crash. Valuations and funding have gotten completely divorced from the business fundamentals. YC startups are being handed blank checks, and no one even remembers "ramen profitable".
At this point, IMHO, it's undeniably unsustainable. Whether it constitutes a "bubble" or not is something we won't know until it pops.
The more product Amazon sold, the more money they'd make (or more accurately, the less money they'd lose).
On the other hand, Ecomom never had a gross profit. The more product they sold, the more money they lost. This is the situation you describe in the gasoline scenario. I suspect the gasoline model was not their strategy by choice, but by accident. The controller's assertion is that it's the runaway discounts that did them in. 50% discounts intended to be for one-time-use-only were used on almost all orders.
Whether it was a long-term strategy or a fundamental mistake, whatever they did is not the Amazon model.
Compare.
$000's
Amazon - Quarter ended March, 1996
Net sales: $875
Cost of sales: $695
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Gross profit: $180
Gross profit %: 20.6%
Ecomom November, 2012
Net sales[1]: $52
Cost of sales: $548
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Gross profit/loss: -$496
Gross profit %: -45%
[1]
Sales: $1,089
Discounts: $(751)
Warehousing: $(152)
Freight: $(134)
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Net sales: $52Rather famously, Amazon in its early days included the cost of fulfillment (shipping, warehousing, etc.) in Sales and Marketing expense, not COGS. As a result, gross margins were thought to be somewhat inflated.
Apparently they also counted their equity investments in the stock of companies including Webvan and Sotheby's as cash and marketable securities.
At the time, analysts were worried about what all this implied for operating cash flow and gross margin.
What they were selling was $40 gift certificates for $20. Then they sold a $30 good for a $40 gift certificate.
They recorded this as a $40 sale with a $30 cost and $20 marketing. The implication that you can eventually cut back on the marketing, which is obviously false.
IMO, the $40 should never appear in anything that could be construed as revenues. Sure, you can work it such that you'll end up with the proper ($10) loss, but they never received an actual $40, their only (well, majority) revenue appeared in the form of $20 payments from the group selling the gift certificates.
[1] http://www.daniellemorrill.com/2013/04/zombie-vcs/
and... more recently "New data suggests the decline has been more severe than previously thought, finding fewer than 100 active U.S. VC firms in the technology sector.":
[2] http://www.daniellemorrill.com/2013/04/zombie-vc-shakeout-co...
2) Whether the VC market is crawling along or zooming is dependent on both the economy and the Fed's monetary policy. When money is cheap and easy to come by, it chases higher risk investments. If you can't earn 1% on your dollars, you're more likely to push that capital into riskier investments seeking yield.
SO... the problem is not the revenue. It's the income.
It wasn't just first time customers who were getting those deals, so it's not really an acquisition cost.
Fixed Costs ... Advertising
I found it in the scribd doc,
"What value, then, was Ecomom providing to our customers? We became simply a middleman, and one that incurred double freight"
Basically they competed with amazon, whole foods, and walmart and lost miserably. either they discounted so heavily they could never dream of profiting, or when they abolished discounts, sales collapsed.
There's a strong cultural demand to not speak ill of the dead... but if the whole story were not tinted with the CEOs death, I think the tone would be astoundingly negative toward the CEO... What was he thinking...
To be fair to the man, he was quite apparently mentally ill towards the end.
I worked briefly for a mid-sized tech company that took a >$70 mm round, but will likely be out-of-business before year end. Like Ecomom, it is helmed by a "visionary" / fanatical leader with a "grow at all cost mentality."
To me, a big red flag is when senior managers make plans without both revenues AND costs being openly discussed.
The article states "when they stopped discounting, the sales stopped" but the way that reads to me is that the 3rd party discounting service was actually their only significant source of traffic.
It seems unlikely that if they were offering goods at a reasonable price that people needed with a trustworthy level of support, that their sales would completely evaporate in the absence of discounts otherwise.
So it's basically Groupon for goods? For businesses with low variable costs (like restaurants and hotels) this might actually work, but for physical consumer goods with cut throat margins? Insane.
I don't know phillip, and I'm sure he's a nice guy, but nobody that took an accounting class at community college has a lack of financial knowledge so great that they couldn't see two trains inexorably colliding, a process that began well before 4Q12 and in fact stretched back to prior to the last round of funding closing (late summer).
A mere glance at the numbers showing 90% of the days orders a) via 50% pre-sale b) had significant coupon (often 30%) stacked on top of that that applied to the total not just their share, c) 99% got free shipping that they valued at $6 but likely ran twice that much of the time. When you add it all up you are losing money on every sale even if your product is free, you have no marketing costs, no fullfillment, no chargeback, no backoffice, no ceo's that need to bust it at yet another conference.
It was so bad that you could easily within seconds spot the real transactions - people paying ~70%-~%80 of list and shipping. because you;d only see one once a day if you were lucky.
There's a phrase accountants use when they really wan to to say a certain word but it gets you sued if you do. So here we go. There was an obvious material weakness present in absolutely everyone conducting the business of the board and the c level posts. As much as nerds want to believe that crap about how dumb the population is, people aren't that dumb.
Make no mistake, there was something completely unmistakable for incompetence at the very best at work here. Sure they wasted a bunch buying customers, but thats not how you go from $5+1secured in a few months.
This money walked out the door. Where'd it go? Well it turns out that post crisis the lead investor and secondary spot of the board poured over books day in day out withe the brand new "fall guy" president, elected by the board two days after jodys death. They amounted to the entirety of the forensic accounting done and found that no money was missing though employees never saw the books.
Then, 28 days after his death they transferred all shares and assets without prior announcement to in effect liquidate without the oversight of the court. The key part there is oversight - a court appointed trustee would have the obligation to claw back money, especially from insiders. The Instead in this case the insiders paid a significant amount of their cash on hand (six figures) as they wrapped up to provide sherwood partners a hefty cash guarantee on their liquidation expenses, and likely covered some of their secured debt as well to buy the ascent of the major secured creditor. While that happened in secret they continued to ensure contractors that'd be paid and enough was there. Now that's 0 for the benefit of bankers. For no more than 100-200 gained off of misclassified 1099s.
That substantial fraud occurred goes essentially unquestioned in those circles. That the active member of the board from cue ball was at least guilty of gross negligence seems difficult to argue against.
And yet nobody in the whole process is willing to stand up, investors, employees, the many parties only speaking through lawyers, about it because of the code of silence in vc-istan. Which is absolutely real and will absolutely fuck you.
If you're doing venture backed lottery schemes for a living you should make sure find some of the contrarian stories and listen - when things don't work out the windowns are far from having free snacks.
It's too bad tech journalism is a farce now, 15 years ago the sj mercury news would have actually put someone on it that had a basic understanding of extracting truth from lies. There are plenty of people who might talk, if they had any belief it'd actually result in a researched and unbiased piece.
The thing I'm curious about is their balance sheet. If someone buys from a site like plum district a gift certificate for $40 that they paid $20 for, California residents are entitled to at least $20 of goods for an unlimited time... What a nightmare!
Sounds like a technology problem.
The Ecomom story is pretty mind boggling from a sound business perspective, but then so is Zappos. And look how celebrated Tony Hsieh is. And guess who was also an investor in Ecomom?
As Hsieh wrote:
"Zappos sells shoes and apparel online, but what distinguished us from our competitors was that we'd put our company culture above all else. We'd bet that by being good to our employees -- for instance, by paying for 100 percent of health care premiums, spending heavily on personal development, and giving customer service reps more freedom than at a typical call center -- we would be able to offer better service than our competitors. Better service would translate into lots of repeat customers, which would mean low marketing expenses, long-term profits, and fast growth. Amazingly, it all seemed to be working. By 2005, gross merchandise sales were $370 million, and we made the Inc. 500. We weren't profitable yet, but we were close to breaking even, and our revenue was growing quickly."
http://www.inc.com/magazine/20100601/why-i-sold-zappos.html
Seems pretty similar to me. The only difference is that Zappos went after a much larger market.
Those coupons have hurt many a business. People buy only $39.99 and not a penny more since the coupon anchors the price and the expectation.
I don't see anything in the article that accounts for the missing $27K. What kind of accounting is that?
These misguided investments pushed that clueless & reckless entrepreneur toward suicide.
Irresponsible investing is similar to irresponsible lending during the housing bubble (pre-2008).
Prentiss also says Sherman drew up a will one week before he died and gave it to his secretary.
And they didn't consider this a massive red flag?He was basically running a Groupon for moms, and no one stopped to say "Hey, Groupon never turned a profit. What makes you think your company will?"