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Assuming you still develop for iOS, what is your setup for developing while using linux?

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You can get OSX up and running in VirtualBox/Vagrant.

Not that I'd want to do actual development that way, but we do it for iOS CI.

Which is a violation of the OS X EULA.

install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using OS X Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use.

http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf

B.2.iii

The way that reads it seems valid to create a virtual instance of osx for development.

As long as you are already on Apple hardware running Apple software

Only if you're running it on top of OS X using something like VMware Fusion.

When was the last time a developer got sued for violating the OS X EULA? Start worrying about real world problems for a change.

Oh, so just because you don't get sued for it means you should go ahead and do something illegal?

I don't know if breaking a contract or EULA is strictly illegal.

[citation needed] that breaking a EULA is illegal.

Just so I'm clear, where is the list of which ToS and EULAs are OK to break and which ones aren't? AppGratis seems to have gotten boned for violating one, yet you're advocating people break another in the same thread?

Sure, the odds of Apple coming after you are low. But that doesn't mean that it's any less of a violation of the license agreement that you agree to when installing the software. AppGratis also thought they were in the clear with their ToS issue.

Here are the ones that it's not OK to break:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text

Here are the ones that it is OK to break:

(Most of the rest)

Isn't it obvious? It's OK to violate the EULA if there's no chance of them catching you, and if other people haven't been caught before. No end user has ever been caught or sued by Apple for running OS X in a VM, because that's not easily detectable and Apple doesn't care about it. But stories of App Store EULA violation nightmares are a dime a dozen.

TL;DR use your common sense

EULAs are crap, as they attempt to tell me what I'm allowed to do with an entity that I own. Once the transaction is complete, we're done, and the creator doesn't get to control what I do, beyond the restrictions laid out in copyright law. If I violate a EULA, the creator has no recourse but to sue, and they'll be suing me for taking legal actions with my own property.

A ToS, on the other hand, lays out terms for the ongoing use of a service. If I violate the ToS, the service provider is within their rights to decline to provide me service. They're within their rights to do that anyway for nearly any reason they feel like, because this is an ongoing relationship and I don't have them enslaved. Beyond that, they could also sue, at which point things get a bit murky.

There's nothing wrong with breaking a EULA, and their legal enforceability is worrying. There's also nothing wrong with a service provider terminating service when a user breaks a ToS, which is what happened here.

There's no inconsistency.

> There's nothing wrong with breaking a EULA, and their legal enforceability is worrying.

Luckily they're not legally enforceable (at least in the U.S.) under many circumstances, though you may not want to take it to court since you could get unlucky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_license_agreement#Enfo...

Would this hold up in court? It seems laughable upon reading it.

Depends on your locality. In some countries/states/cities, EULAs are utterly unenforceable. In others, they might have a legitimate case.

"You can only run our software on our hardware" has already held up in courts. It's been a few years, but I think it was Allen Bradley or Siemens.

I can legally run Windows on my Mac or Linux boxes but I can't run OS X anywhere besides an official Mac. To which I say, get bent Apple, I have work to do.

BTW, I'm sure all Apple Boot Camp and Parallels users pay the $250 Microsoft license, NOT.

If I didn't have an Apple computer and sorely needed one I would probably use http://www.macincloud.com/ or get a Mac Mini.

I have an OS X machine. Otherwise I would jailbreak the device for developing and buy a Mac Mini or something if it turns out I need OS X to do codesigning when I submit it.

If anyone develops for iPhone without Xcode I'd love to hear it. I'd switch in a second if something could provide even half the functionality as long as it had half the usability issues.

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