I love these short pieces on stupid legislation in the land of the free.
Makes me so happy I don't live there.
Who in their right mind would even propose such legislation. What kind of immoral, capitalistic people are in charge in the US.
Makes me so happy I don't live there.
Who in their right mind would even propose such legislation. What kind of immoral, capitalistic people are in charge in the US.
The EU does enforce a bunch of laws. So does the EEA.
So I would like a good example of a law from a european country that is not the UK or eastern europe.
I view that as a good thing, as it prevents mob justice on the media. Let the courts decide, on their own timing, we can analyse the result later; instead of condemning someone in the public view, only to find out later she is an innocent with a forever tarnished reputation.
It will take probably one more generation for Germany to be able to lift those restrictions. WWII was a big event, and it is emotionally charged still today. I think their approach to limiting free speech is an extraordinary measure to deal with extraordinary circumstances. It is not an easy decision, was heavily discussed among Germans, and is widely accepted by the population. While not ideal, it's acceptable and well managed. And limited in time.
> So I would like a good example of a law from a european country
Germany "Insulting of Faiths, Religious Societies and Organizations Dedicated to a Philosophy of Life if they could disturb public peace (Section 166)."
On topic, Switzerland tried to censor essentially the same thing (livestock farming practices) and was sued for it. They lost.
Freedom isn't the right to inject arbitrary programming into someone else's commercial enterprise.
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Granted, I watch very little TV, but what I do watch is from the UK.
The Lesters of course. http://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_t...
But unless we do that they'll just have passed another corrupt law by the time this one gets overturned.
Some indecent farming was exposed, which is good. On the other hand, I understand that people are not entirely comfortable about groups of masked men appearing on their premises at night, premises near which their families live.
People who know where the funding for the next electoral campaign vote comes from. It's a free market: as a voter, you're the product, the corporations are the customers.
Darwinist capitalistic people. It's the invisible hand of evolution in action.
I've had the opportunity to live alongside and work with. Many of them truly believe that their gaming of the system, luck and hard work is either divine or a product of "dog eat dog" evolution-style aka "hussle". I've got shocking stories of outrageous actions, but the long term economic trends/facts are sobering.
With no state to offer anti-terrorism protection to the industry, they'd have to sort their stuff out on the same terms as everyone else.
My wife grew up in Iowa farm country. You don't need a lobby to convince these people that animal rights activists are terrorists.
You're a perfect example of what the OP was talking about. Justifying every abomination.
Animal rights activism is so outside the mainstream of their experience, that it doesn't take a huge lobby to convince them that these video tapers are one step away from blowing up farms. More broadly, they perceive the movement, like movements to control farm pollution, in terms of their own experience. Not as a cool cost-benefit calculation, but an existential threat to their way of life.
That is not to say that they support animal cruelty per se. They react badly to what they perceive to be external threats. They rally around their own. They are really no different than any other group of people in this regard (see, e.g., how Hacker Newsers rally around their own any time people propose regulating tech companies; note the complete lack of moral outrage at Intel, AMD, Hewlett-Packard, etc, in the recent article about how these companies poisoned Palo Alto).
The Swiss. They lost.
What kind of immoral, capitalistic people are in charge in the US
The kind of people that don't throw you in jail if you just deny something in public, like in Germany, France, Canada.
After Zundel was finally deported to Germany (he was never a Canadian citizen), the Germans locked him up pretty promptly.