Bitcoin has everything it needs to become a major speculative bubble
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Also, mtgox is down; has been for about an hour.
What does that even mean?
Also, the US government doesn't really have anything to do with the USD; the USD is managed solely by the Federal Reserve, and the Federal Reserve is not a branch of the US government (it's a privately held bank; look it up).
"it's not nothing"
It's worse than nothing. The Federal Reserve can and does change the value of the dollar at will (it's called inflation). That's why you can buy a loaf of bread with your 5 bucks now, but in 10 years your 5 bucks probably won't even buy a candy bar.
Contrast that with gold. In 1913 (the year the Federal Reserve was created), you could buy a house with 100 ounces of gold. 100 1913 dollars is worth roughly 2 2013 dollars, but 100 1913 ounces of gold is worth exactly 100 2013 ounces of gold, and you can still buy a house with it (100 ounces of gold is $156,740 USD; no, this won't buy you a house in New York, but it will in most other parts of the country). That's what it means for a currency to be backed by something of value. Value doesn't change.
Also, comparing gold @ ~$20/oz in 1913 to a dollar stuffed under a mattress in the same year is a bit of a false comparison. The Compounding the same $20 in 10year Tbonds (a decent 'risk free rate' starting in 1928 (the first year I could find data) would yield ~$679 in 2000 (outperforming gold by over 2x) and ~$1385 in 2012 (underperforming slightly, but with almost no volatility).
Tbonds are pretty much the definition of the "risk free rate of return" for USD. Is there an alternate (non-zero) "risk free rate" for gold that you would like use instead to make comparisons?
Are you actually arguing that gold's value does not change?
Also, what are you using to measure the "volatility" you claim fiat money has so much of?
Inflation.
And 'unchanging' wasn't the best choice of words, but my point is that gold is not subject to the whims of monetary policy makers because you can't create more gold. Gold's value only changes when more gold is discovered.
Things change.
I wonder how "running" cyprus is now :P
I'd say the fundamentals could be found looking in the weaknesses in government/central bank fiat and the controls put in place on how freely people can obtain and receive goods/services.
But yeah, this is a bubble, but if you look at the fundamentals that governments/central banks are running on now, it just takes one country with a overly bloated private banking sector and dieselboom to apply his templates… :P
they could have otherwise printed a bunch of money and deflated their debt, which is what the US gov does
Nowadays the power of the US government backs the dollar.
How exactly is it doing that?
Bitcoin is decentralized by definition, and that's a huge difference because only rely in market value (not saying is bad per se). This might change if governments start regulating and supporting the currency.
Bitcoin is likely making order of magnitude changes in value, one direction or another.
Edit: Oops, didn't read the article first, the author isn't actually setting a price target because he doesn't like Bitcoin, but I still stick by my statement.
Still no sign of adoption by any popular retailers, the majority of demand is coming from speculators, and the exchanges are getting slower every day (MtGox is down as I write this and the queue to open an account is several days deep).
At this point, BitCoin is still more of a toy than a currency.
It's easy to make grandstanding statements from the sidelines. If you're wrong, no one really remembers. If you are right, you get to harp on it whenever the subject comes up.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50817.640
Like I said, bitcoin is more of a toy than a currency. If I want to play around with fake money, I'll join a virtual stock exchange.
Further, it's inaccurate to generalize performance problems to all exchanges. MtGox is the only exchange that has these kinds of issues. I've never seen any lag on any other exchange. I'm still baffled as to why they've remained so popular for so long, but I do know it's not for lack of other well-performing exchanges.
[1]: https://blockchain.info/charts/tx-trade-ratio?timespan=180da...
Of course no one - including you - will remember your prophecy come August, but I am pretty sure you are wrong. Why? Because history does not repeat itself, esp. not when it comes to speculation.
Sorry but human history is full of cycles and mistakes repeated over and over.
Have you ever heard "Humans are the only animals that stumble on the same rock twice" ?
See every bubble ever.
Haha, that's funny. See tulips, housing, Iraqi Dinar, CO Silver industry crash, gold in the 80s, the list goes on.
That is quite possibly one of the stupidest statements I've ever read on HN, let alone the wider internet. We don't study history because we seriously think we can avoid making the same mistakes, really. We study history because we need to know what other people are going to get us entangled in because "this time, it's different".
Or to put it in another way: it it possible to link a Bitcoin value (or any currency) to an index not influenced by greed? Could it be linked to the number of people alive for example?
So if you want to create a BTC/Number of People Alive exchange rate, you need people trading lives for Bitcoins, which is a bit macabre.
I can think of pot, and using silk road to build the index for BTC but as I see its prices are pegged to dollar and BTC is only used to maintain some anonymity of the transactions.
I'm not sure that if that's what you wanted.
Would love to see much discussion about the topics.
Anyway the post (posted 2 hours ago) is not in the front page anymore.
We have 4 times as many goods and services offered for bitcoins or speculative bubble.
So unless we have lots of new businesses that accept them ... the market for bitcoins will be as fun as the Apple one.
I really would like to buy more, but I am unsure if it is normalizing soon (back to 100$) or hiking like gold did last year.