SIP from Twilio
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But now, by exposing the underlying SIP streams, Twilio is opening the doors to a broader range of applications (commercial PBXs, enterprisey telephony folks, etc.). Unfortunately, it looks like you still have to use TwiML to get the job done, but all the custom stuff can be done on your side instead of having to port that to TwiML.
Share your enthusiasm - I think a much broader range of powerful business apps are going to get made with this service.
Support is excellent, highly recommend their sip API. Especially since they are showing devs a ton of love,
http://blog.plivo.com/post/45362689649/free-plivo-developer-...
They have a gem and it's pretty simple to replace Twilio, there are some minor changes in attribute names and such but all the functionality is there.
http://blog.tropo.com/2010/03/09/does-your-cloud-provider-of...
(Disclaimer: I work for Voxeo Labs)
Then there's this issue with Apps developed in Plivo cloud not being that much 100% compatible with the open source plivo framework.
In the interest of full disclosure, I am the marketing/community guy for 2600hz, the open-source cloud telecom company, but I am genuinely curious what the per minute charge is for as it seems too low to include PSTN minutes.
Disclosure: Former contractor/consultant at Twilio
It seems odd, frankly, to charge $.005 as if it actually costs Twilio anything close to that. I mean per minute, a phone call is eating up a very small amount of data in a pure IP environment, so the profit margins on a charge like that are obscene (personal opinion). 64kbps for one minute is about 4 megs, and I can guarantee that's not $.005 to Twilio (it's likely several orders of magnitude lower in fact, which makes that charge basically pure profit).
I just think it's wrong to charge for something that basically doesn't cost anything, and one that historically hasn't cost anything in Telcom (I'm referring to on-net calls here, at least over the last 20 or so years).
Perhaps you can clarify something else for me: if you bridge a call to a SIP endpoint, is it two calls, like transferring or one call plus a SIP charge? I haven't played with the API so I wasn't sure what mechanism they use to bridge the endpoint to the call.
Thanks so much for replying. Oh and one note, most carriers these days buy at sub $.01 per minute, so adding a 50% tax for SIP is not a peppercorn sum.
Disclaimer in the interest of full disclosure: I'm the marketing/community guy for 2600hz, the open-source cloud telecom company.
Edit: I reread this and realized it sounded a bit antagonistic. I'm really not trying to offend anyone, just trying to clarify why someone would be charging for on-net as that hasn't been the pattern in the industry for some time. It would be quite the coup if Twilio were able to bring back on-net billing as it is tremendously profitable. But again, I like the Twilio guys, I think they're amazing evangelists and they're doing great work in Telecom.
I'm not sure if it's possible to initiate a SIP terminated call using the REST API, i.e. without PSTN/Client component. I haven't looked at the docs recently.
You may or may not be right in this being exorbitant. Who are we to judge? The market will decide! :)
These descriptions can get a little unwieldy in prose, so consider this quick example. Let's suppose you give me a ring at my Twilio number (718)989-1458 and I am at my desk with my SIP device. My per-minute Twilio usage for that call would be the sum of you calling my Twilio number over PSTN (1 cent per minute) and Twilio connecting that call to my SIP device (half cent per minute). In summary:
- You to my Twilio number (PSTN): $0.01 per min - Twilio to my desk (SIP): $0.005 per min - Total: $0.015 per min
Does that help?
So if I call you and you use a SIP handset to answer it's $.015 per minute? That accurately answers my question.
I still disagree with charging for pure IP transit, but that's more of a marketing decision and I completely understand your reasons for doing so :).
I'd argue that the $.005 is unnecessary and Twilio would simply benefit tremendously from the additional minutes volume from SIP apps, but you know your business better than I do :).
For Twilio, it shows up in the same place. What you pay for is a simple (and hopefully fun!) platform for changing the way your business communicates with everything you need to do it - IVRs, conferences, queues, voicemail, international, messaging and more. The way you pay is what we feel best aligns your interests with ours - only what you use, only when you use it.
Like everyone else in startup tech, we hope we're delivering software at a price that reflects the value our customers get from it. This feels right for SIP From Twilio - hope you and others will continue to share your perspective if it doesn't work for you.
Edit: fixed some typos.
While I still disagree, I do understand the impetice to charge here as you are certainly absorbing costs that would otherwise be born by the business.
There is definitely something to be said for the ease of integration and the utilitarian nature of the Twilio tech. That value isn't free and I suppose this is a good way to monetize twilio's efforts in this direction.
As always, I wish you guys the best and I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify this topic :).
More to come I'm sure!
The best alternatives I can find are far more expensive. OnSIP runs about $30/month, Line2 is about $10/month (and isn't even SIP), and RingCentral is about $20/month. If I used 400 minutes per month here, I'd be paying $2 for the minutes, and $1 for the phone number.
Also hope you'll reach out and share your experience with Twilio Client. Never like to hear when folks are having a rough go with one of our products - door's open if you'd like to describe how we've been coming up short for you.
http://www.callcentric.com/dids/free_phone_number
No affiliation, just the cheapest legit company offering a local phone number + SIP I've found that "just works" with Android Nexus phones as well as iOS apps like Bria or Groundwire.
The free numbers are for NY, you can also try http://www.callcentric.com/dids/phone_number_sale to see if there's a $2.95/month number local to you. Not that it matters for SIP.
After much consideration and talking with our customers, we decided to release our SIP features as it met our standard of quality rather than hold up release on bidirectional functionality.
Glad to hear the experience is going well. Hope you'll keep us updated on how it's working out for you.
Danielle got me hooked back in '09 and I've been a big fan since, but I'm really curious as to why it took so long for SIP support?
Was it not requested enough or were the engineering challenges just too great years ago?
Timing is a great question and there a jillion factors involved - both our customers and the market have changed considerably in just the few years we've been around.
I'm not sure that engineering challenge is often a primary blocker on picking the products we bring to market - most everything we work on ends up being pretty tough. In the case of SIP From Twilio, I think it was more driven by the market trend of moving critical applications from on-premise hardware to the cloud.
We still have a lot of work to do to prove doing such makes as much sense in the phone closet as the server room. Complementing that effort with SIP connectivity now felt right.
There's only one carrier that's remotely wholesale friendly in the US and that's sprint, but they'll give you full SIP interop. As far as using your credit or your phone number, I can't see the carrier relinquishing that stranglehold.
Your credit is your money and your number is your identity. Those are the two most valuable bargaining chips in the mobile carriers arsenal. The real disruption would be in federating identity and finance on a mobile platform, but I'm not holding my breath. While there are projects like this today, it's unlikely that any of them will reach the scale where significant network effects can take place.
Can you shoot me what you think to rob [at] twilio?