More than 500,000 Google Reader users have joined Feedly in the past 48 hours
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But it seems like a pretty good estimate of the number of active and aggrieved Google Reader users out there.
What is baffling is that Google can't or won't monetize a product with that many users.
Shockingly, nerds that consume media via RSS don't tend to click on ads.
Sometimes, to score a goal you need to move the goal post. In this case, use a different monetization strategy.
Judging by the amount of people I've spoken too over the last few days, there's a whole lot more than 500,000 of us. I'd love to see how many people Google considers not worth their time. I'd happily pay for Reader.
Or even just open source it and get some positive PR to offset the negative they've been getting.
Maybe they could release a version that would run on AppEngine and customers could just pay for their own or something.
i like the one big feed directly on the start page. i like the the simple layout in my mobile browser.
i don't need fancy sharing features. all i need is a simple webapp that shows me a condensed view of my subscriptions and opml import.
if these things work there is also no need for a specialized android or mobile app, i think.
(oh, mobile sign up didn't work somehow for me, maybe you check the code...)
I am working on opml import and making it easier / more intuitive to add feeds.
I have had trouble with the signup form for the last few days which was the worst time for it to fail. I thought I had the bug fixed yesterday but I will double check.
Thanks for the feedback. It's a work in progress but I am going to keep improving it.
If you have anymore suggestions I am open to all feedback.
Apparently the validator on the username field doesn't like periods. I will fix that.
i am somehow not able to login with two different browsers (opera mobile and chrome) to log in. only firefox worked.
my new account there is "toki1". but i havent been able to add feeds somehow. the input box does not to react when i click submit.
feel free to use me as test user. contact me via the mail i gave with my account data. i am rather busy today, but from tomorrow on i will have more time.... :)
I am not getting good vibes out of Feedly even though it is getting unusually large number of mentions.
It seems the most direct route and they removed the 'manage your contacts' requirement (unless you use it to find friends, which seems reasonable).
I want something even more dense than Reader, or at least no worse. TheOldReader is close, but I would prefer something with iOS clients as well.
TT-RSS is looking like the best option (even though it has no apps), but I don't really want to have to host a PHP app.
Philosophically I love Feedly (YC company, startup, etc.), but I don't think they want to make some dense power user tool like a direct Reader replacement.
Tip #1: "A more condensed view"
I also dislike the Chrome extension (vs. pure web-only).
OTOH, it is really pretty, so I'm thinking of using it for recreational use anyway. It's just not an ideal research replacement for google reader yet.
- Access your data on all websites
- Access your tabs and browsing activity
Yeah, right. I'm an idiot?
Newsblur has no such shenanigans and is developed by a HNer.
As an example of far too clever UI: Just try and change your password -- it's bizarre that it has no confirmation at all (I have no idea what my password is now). Not something I want to rely on, or deal with, or pay for.
Not that this isn't unexpected... web devs have always been very attached to their bling. That Feedly requires a plugin is... very odd. I don't expect it to last (either the plugin or feedly itself.. choose one), but maybe people are more credulous than I give them credit for.
Newsblur needs to simplify, simplify, simplify... but I suspect it's too late for that.
I'm switching to an rss to email digest script (modified rss2email). It's probably less bling than I want, but at least that minimizes the unnecessary crap, and works on mobile. It also has the benefit of limiting my tendency to refresh the feed lists every hour looking for procrastination sources. :-)
I like the idea of Newsblur and Feedly a lot, but I don't feel like either of them capture the simplicity that Google Reader used to have, before the unfortunate redesign.
I want to get back to that, and have a system that will seamlessly work across the web and mobile.
It'll be a couple months before it's ready for primetime, but I should be looking for beta users well in advance of that, and you sound like exactly the type of person who'd want to use this.
Also, please charge. Give people 5-10 feeds for free, but let me pay <$10/mo (or like $25/yr prepaid) for a power user version.
1) see list of all feeds with unread counts (I don't see how to do that as a guest user)
2) click on a feed, see all articles in the feed (bold unread) (you sort of do this now, but indicating read v unread would be nice)
3) per-story, read in a dense but nicely-formatted way (Feedly does this great; yours is ok. Ideally be able to Instapaper too)
4) (optional) figure out which new articles in which feeds I care most about and "magic" those as well -- maybe using an interface like yours, or a "magazine" like feedly
I really have two modes of using RSS: reading as much as possible of those feeds, or wanting to be passively entertained. I'd potentially use two tools with a common backend.
I don't understand why someone doesn't do as close to a direct clone of Google Reader UI/UX as possible, and then clone Google Reader backend (e.g. the "Normandy" project).
Feedly looks great, but yeah, won't use it in exchange of all my data. Perhaps if they come up with a standalone web version.
The search continues for me in any case.
I think they ask for site permissions so they can extract RSS URLs out of the page via aforementioned injected button. Either way, Chrome extensions have visible source, so it's not too hard to vet it.
It's not free, for those wondering, and free accounts are temporarily suspended.
Oh well. Time to move on.
See https://getsatisfaction.com/newsblur/topics/free_accountis_n..., for example.
You can host it yourself if you do not want to pay for it.
edit: nvm, its in the feedly preferences. Not Chromes. Awks.
More info & discussion can be found at the item posted a few days ago:
No thanks Feedly, I'll pass.
I stick with newsbeuter. No web-based readers for me.
It does sound scary but it's really hard to do anything without those permissions.
I tried to install AdBlock Plus in Chromium and it asked the same question...
"Why does my RSS reader need access to the webpage to add the RSS feed for that webpage?"
I think .NET and Java programs can be run until they encounter permission requirements and then prompt but i have rarely seen this feature used.
Obviously it's a usability tradeoff and the programmers of the app would also have to handle the permission rejection gracefully while running but i don't think that's too much to ask for.
Anyway, this is why it's a shame Feedly doesn't offer a non-extension version. One would hope it's something they have planned. Offer the extension for those who want the additional features and are ok with the permissions, and the web app for the rest (and for the convenience of access anywhere, cross-platform).
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt... :)
Vote for it if you want to hammer the point in. The extension is probably for that irritating button that's on all pages until you disable it (preferences at the bottom of the folder list).
At this point I'd like to either pay for a service or use something self-hosted to make sure I don't have to go through a painful transition again.
Take a look at: http://www.feedafever.com
Just installed it. Works just like Google Reader, with a few bonus features. I don't have to worry about being shut down anymore.
You guys are missing the most obvious point and the big boys have already figured it out. Subscribe to Engadget, Gizmodo, etc.
What you'll get is an excerpt of the story with a "click this link to read the rest".
After I click, I'm on their site. I want to read/post comments? I'm on their site.
RSS is free advertising for content providers and a way to get more eyeballs. Google is foolish for putting all of their eggs in the social basket.
I remember like... what, six years ago? when people were arguing over whether or not this was an evil thing to do.
I don't know what the click through rate is like on RSS feeds with a statistically useful subscriber count, but Google Reader says my feed has 11 subscribers, meaning those 3 people who came through on my last post are 27%. I don't get that kind of click through with hundreds of real people following my Twitter accounts, or thousands on G+. A million social media followers is meaningless if only 10,000 of them click your links, and any publisher with sense realizes that. Email is only slightly better: http://mailchimp.com/resources/research/email-marketing-benc...
Any extension that interacts with webpages needs that permission. Even if it's just to add a button. Before you go accusing them of selling information about your web browsing, you could at least check if they collect that information in the first place. Which is easy, since a network inspector is built-in to Chrome, and Chrome extensions are just ZIP files you can open up to read the code inside.
Hint: They don't. The plugin inserts a share image into the page, and the image is embedded in the plugin, not hosted on Feedly's server. It creates no network requests at all, so there's no involuntary information passing happening.
Fortunately the 'feature' can be disabled.
Just a speculation.
I added an extension [1] to open articles in a background tab (their keyboard shortcut foregrounds the new tab).
I made a simple new style in Stylish [2] to streamline the UI:
#feedlyTitleBar {display:none !important;}
#feedlyPageHeader {display:none !important;}
#systemBar {display:none !important;}
So far this works for me.[1] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/feedly-will-open-e...
[2] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylish/fjnbnpbmke...
Sweet. Nevermind how they can afford all that capacity. Maybe they're a charity, funded by Bill & Melinda?
I used the linux Liferea in 2006, and I still use it in 2013. I can hit update and read the new articles offline.. Privacy status: It runs on my computer.
(I'm subscribed to hundreds of feeds, but CNN isn't one of them. I also think most users outside of the US won't be subscribed to the CNN feed.)
http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2013/03/google-reader-data-...
For comparison, CNN on Twitter only has 7.7 million followers. Do you honestly believe 3x more people are reading CNN's RSS feed than their Twitter feed?
(Please prove me wrong, but I searched the site and also installed the extension to try and find one.)
However, you should vote on the suggestion just in case: https://feedly.uservoice.com/forums/192636-suggestions/sugge...
I'm not a feedly user so I don't mind but thanks for the link to the suggestion, good to see it's being considered.
And #4 in Android trending apps: https://play.google.com/store/apps/collection/movers_shakers...
There seem to be a number of issues surrounding this. Some people point to OAuth being the problem. Some people point to the Safari extension. One way or another, it's broken, and there's absolutely nothing on their Twitter, blog, Uservoice, or Get Satisfaction even indicates they're aware of the cloud of problems surrounding Safari usage.
Other than looks good.
If I had more time, I'd definitely try a bunch of things. But for now I'm glad that there are a bunch of eager types out there testing the alternatives and posting here.
You still have to switch soon, so you might as well put in a little extra time. At least, that's my thinking on it right now.
my feed reader needs to be as invisible to me as possible, i just want to read the content
No way.
These days? Not so much.
There are services that are famous as of now, very famous. Not because those are best out there(or even better than average) but because they played good on social scene the day Google read out Reader's death sentence. Feedly, having used them, is certainly not a great service. It's a client that is everywhere. It's a good one(must be) I personally never liked it.
But at least they are handling the load better than others. NewsBlur looks like a slow clunky web app. There are few others like FeedHQ.org and 1kpl.us but none of them are still there.
Looks like Feedly is just hoarding users with a promise to be sth that at least they are not going to be - the 'holy grail' of RSS sync service - which is the void GR actually created. A clean and fast web app/server where our feeds can reside in the cloud. And all the blog posts out there are talked about just one thing - these clients; and users listened.
That is how they have these many numbers.
The rest are a bit weird, mobile-only, or don't know what they're going to do when the Reader API they depend on shuts down.
Personally, I like Feedly's UX. It's like an evolution of Reader. It's much smoother, and has a magazine view for feeds where it makes sense.