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I found myself agreeing with a lot of the sentiment expressed in Mark's post but ultimately, I lack faith that Shuttleworth and Canonical have what it takes to pull off the stated goal of creating "an experience that could challenge the existing proprietary leaders." For example, I don't find Unity to be better in any meaningful sense than the "community-driven" GNOME 3. Canonical has come up with some interesting ideas, especially with the HUD menu system, but I just haven't seen real progress towards building the kind of consistent user experience I can find on Android, Windows and OS X.

I'd love for them to succeed, but every passing day I'm looking more to Android as the future of quasi-open Linuxes.

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Agreed. Talk about being stretched too thin. For example, I've been fighting with compiz (their wm of choice) all day. I'm about to give up, but love the negative plugin.

If they could demonstrate capacity to fix existing bugs I might be interested in their new directions... until then no.

>>I don't find Unity to be better in any meaningful sense than the "community-driven" GNOME 3

It's not better even in a meaningless sense. I just not that good.

There are times when you stick to your idea long enough because you are passionately convinced about it and there are times when you stick to that idea because others said it was a bad idea, somehow they were true and now you do not want to accept it. Well, Canonical is Mark's and Ubuntu belongs to Canonical. They must have a plan. I hope.

As per whining about it and whims. That was normal reaction and Mark should have accepted it, if not as feedback.

After trying all the Linux distros I settled with Ubuntu, then it was ruined. Moving to OSX was painful. Moving to an (very) expansive and very very closed ecosystem.

The HUD makes no sense on a desktop environment and since I have not tried it on a mobile device I cannot make a final judgement. My gut instinct is that the HUD will work on a mobile device and as the platform matures it will become better. Most people prefer Gnome3, let them use it with other distros.

I feel the true battle for Canonical lies in mobile devices and being an entity which can stand up against all the other closed eco-systems and manufacturers in this space. If they can keep it open for everybody so much the better for us all.

I have nothing but respect for shuttleworth, he is an extremely smart bloke who has invested a lot of his money in this, this obviously does not make Canonical exempt from criticism.

"My gut instinct is that the HUD will work on a mobile device and as the platform matures it will become better."

I think you're right. Unity works great on a netbook, purely for consuming. Fine for a mobile device.

There used to be a Ubuntu 'netbook remix' which came with Unity (before it was the default), and it fitted there perfectly.

Canonical are hardly alone in betting the farm on mobile-like interfaces. MS are doing it with Windows 8, and some of OS X >= Lion's interface is only usable with a multitouch trackpad.

Whether they're right or not is open to discussion, but it's clearly happening.

Whether HUD makes or does not make any sense is really up to discussion, I like pieces of the HUD and I think it can be great for my laptop (12''). That's a bit irrelevant though, since Unity does not work, has tons of bugs and you can't change anything (well, you can, but then you just expose more bugs). Also, even if the HUD were useful, it's responsivness is so sub-par, that's impossible to use. I for one don't have patience to wait after keystroke and before starting typing. It's an absolute engineering disaster and this is what is the real problem.

I think it works great on desktop via keyboard shortcuts. I use it all the time and I hate it when I have to use other systems.

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