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Ranger - Finder clone for the terminal

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I know that this marks me as a graybeard, but this has nothing to do with the Finder; it's (after 10 minutes investigating) a decent mc style file browser. The Finder was the spatial interface to the Mac file system. It's been dead for years; the zombie Finder that Apple currently ships is a hideous, mutant hybrid, neither Workspace fish nor Finder fowl.

You make a good point sir. TotalFinder allows me to love Finder yet again.

That said, ranger seems pretty slick for what it is.

To me it seems the OP is calling it that because it borrows the column view, which Finder inherited from NeXT.

I've been using Finder since 7.5.3. The Finder hasn't changed all that much in that time has it? Comparative to the rest of the OS? What's so different?

What I miss is the old school spatial finder [1]. I never liked the Next Workspace Manager, although it was very popular among a certain Unix set Back In The Day; but at least it was consistent and adhered to a certain worldview. Ramming it into the classic Finder just made both types of user miserable; Apple's been backing that decision out slowly (and in favor of the Next-style manager) ever since.

[1] An oldie, but a goodie: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2003/04/finder

As far as a user was concerned, before Mac OS X, the Finder's icons and the files they represented were one object, as were the Finder's windows and the directories they represented. However hard you tried (which you didn't, because you knew a file was the same as its icon), each file had only one icon and each directory only one window. Also, each directory/window had its own position on the screen, size, and layout.

Now, that 1:1 identity is broken. You can have multiple windows showing the content of the same directory. Also, you can have multiple icons on screen 'pointing' to the same file.

This may look like a minor change, but the feel of the UI is very different. It feels much less a direct manipulation interface.

Yes, Mac OS already was slightly inconsistent. Open and save dialogs could show directories and Windows that wer visible in the Finder. However, these felt as part of the application, and were very focused on the task at hand. Icons in those dialogs felt as representations of files, not as the files themselves. Also, there were aliases, but being files, they maintained the 1:1 correspondence between icons and files. Altogether, those things never killed that illusion of 'an icon _is_ a file, a window _is_ a directory'.

Because Mac OS X is a multi-user system, I think Mac OS X had to break this rule (network shares were already stretching the metaphor (almost) beyond breaking years before Mac OS X), but even today, it still feels like a loss to me.

Interesting. I've never felt particularly strongly one way or another about the Finder and I didn't feel the changes as strongly as you and others seemed to.

My personal GUI progression was Mac OS 7.5, RiscOS 3, Windows 9x, Mac OS 8 & 9, BeOS, KDE, Mac OS 10.3, onwards. I didn't see a significant break, but maybe it's because of the detour. It just didn't occur to me that it was anything other than a smooth transition. By the looks of things, a good number of people seem to have noticed the change, and many don't like it. I'm not sure the 'classic' way of doing things was entirely compatible with a command line interface (I get that that's what Lisa and Mac was trying to supersede). But I don't think many doubt the utility of CLIs for 'serious' modern use. Do they?

One thing I do remember is that we've always had symlinks (aliases). I don't remember if they were in System 6 but they were certainly there in System 7.

This is taken from the list in another submission: "Unix tricks" or similar. I tried it today, but found not vim-like enough (no help under :h ?). I then started searching and found vifm: http://vifm.sourceforge.net/ - and after a few minutes I was comfortable with it. I didn't use mc even once today; it's just day one so I don't know if this will stick with me, but it shows much promise.

Vifm also has windows binaries nice

vifm is good. If you like vim movements, you can try zfm (its written in shell - https://github.com/rkumar/zfm), and if you like the default hint mode, try 'cetus' -- on the same git repo).

After using vim movements in a file manager, my finding was that pressing 10j or 5gg etc to go to a file is a slow cumbersome way to move around, when you usually just want to open a file/page it or run an action on it. That's why using hints (as in vimperator) or shortcuts for each file is a much faster way of navigating. Just jump with one keystroke.

Similarly it's cool to have vim bindings like "dG" or "d3gg" etc in your file manager (vimfm and zfm have it) but these are not really features that make a difference. It's the speed of getting 90% of your workflow done, and shortcuts/hints are what get that done fastest.

I like ranger, and have used it for a few years, but I don't understand why it would be considered a clone of Finder. They are both file managers, that is about all they have in common.

It cosidered as clone of Fider because of Miller columns it implements. Only few file managers have them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_columns.

I found ranger slow. I use cetus (its fast and you can select files with a hotkey (https://github.com/rkumar/cetus). There's also a shell version which has a lot more functionality and even a vim mode (since some people here are asking for vim like behavior: https://github.com/rkumar/zfm)

An answer and a question:

Re: "The secondary task of ranger is to psychically guess which program you want to use for opening particular files.", you can also do `open somefile' to have that file opened in its default app.

And does anyone know if there is anything for OS X that clones your current directory between a terminal and a Finder window? That would be amazingly useful.

  % open .

EDIT: And you can drag the little thumb icon in a Finder window's title over to a Terminal and it'll insert the path corresponding to that window at point.

Thanks! I've had my Mac less than a year, and stuff like this really helps. (I tried both of those tricks, and they indeed work as advertised)

Also super useful:

  % man 1 pbpaste

I looked into this a year or so ago when I was looking to "vimify" my whole setup. I couldn't get into Ranger because of the lack of real image previews (I was doing a lot of image processing stuff at the time). W3M looks like it will help a lot with that though, so I'll definitely give it a second shot.

Ah no thanks, i'm sticking with Midnight Commander or plain and simple shell commands.

On MacOS X, you can simply do:

brew install ranger

I could never understand the use of such tools in the terminal. I guess you need to have a certain and very specific kind of workflow.

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