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The people who are limited by Finder use Terminal... The people who can't use Terminal don't need more than Finder. Apple is great at hitting sweet-spots that way.

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I really could not disagree with you more.

At any given time i have 3-4 iTerm2 windows open to which if someone closed i would freak and slap them silly. But just because i use the terminal does not mean i don't want a competent file browser.

Im not against there dumbed down version, but Finder as it stands simply isnt practical for a developer, and no i don't want to jump into a terminal to do basic tasks that developer would need to do every day.

FWIW, if you use 'screen' (or 'tmux') you won't have to worry about losing terminal windows.

SLAP

Plus, iTerm isn't even Terminal, and Terminal is pretty embarrassing.

I'm interested in your reasoning for why Terminal.app is embarrassing. It seems significantly better than, say, rxvt to me.

I think Terminal.app used to be pretty darn bad (leopard/snow-leopard era).

I find the current version (in mountain lion) to be quite reasonable though.

Agreed, I spend a significantly large amount of time with 5-8 terminal tabs open and I've never been bugged by it. It's just very feature bare compared to iTerm.

How is Terminal.app embarrassing? In most of the ways that a traditional terminal is important, it acts exactly as expected, and still has convenient "new" terminal things like tabs and profiles.

I think the last time a lot of people used it before jumping ship for iTerm was about 10.4, where it was pretty horrible.

I just switched to Terminal from iTerm2.

What could a developer possibly need to do which can't be done from Emacs?

ducks

Very true. If you are using an IDE, it already affords a great FS browser (like dired for example). If not, you're probably not a developer in which case the Finder is great!

That's very much like saying, 'If you have a plumber van, it already drives fine. If not, you're probably not a plumber, in which case a rusty bicycle with a broken crankshaft is great!'

The brokenness of the Finder affects users of all stripes. You don't need to be especially technical. It has been reviled for years and years by developers and non-developers alike.

Sorry that came out wrong. I meant that if you're not using an IDE you're probably not a developer, in context of the parent comment to which I was replying. Your PoV does make sense and I agree with it.

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