Ask PG: Auto-ban commenters who repeatedly respond to replies?

My proposal is ... perhaps reducing their ability to post replies for a period of time.

This kind of flame retardant has been built in since 2009:

We also have some new features to prevent flamewars. The most conspicuous is an exponential delay before reply links appear on deeply nested comments. We'd noticed these were rarely the most interesting comments on the site. We're hoping that instead of killing stupid arguments, it will be sufficient to apply gradually increasing drag to them.

http://ycombinator.com/newsnews.html

I'm suggesting applying that logic to commenters that have been previously identified as described above, not just individual comment threads.

In other words, be more proactive about it, when we already know said commenter spams the comment sections.

Just out of curiosity, would this reply — which is now deeply nested — be considered spamming if you had your way? How about your subsequent reply to this one?

It would depend on your (and my) behavior everywhere, not just in this particular comment thread.

If you (or I) had a history of making replies to (almost) everyone who replies to you (or I), then yeah, I would want the system to curb your (or my) instinct to reply to everything with some kind of waiting period, and I'd want that to kick in very, very early.

My sense is that the people that do this aren't very self-aware (i.e. have poor social skills), and as a result, it's not really possible to convince them to stop making things bad for everyone -- since they don't know, and don't think, they are.

An impartial filter would eliminate the drama and achieve the desired result without having to try and change their behavior, or publicly shaming them (as other commenters have suggested).

> My sense is that the people that do this aren't very self-aware (i.e. have poor social skills), and as a result, it's not really possible to convince them to stop making things bad for everyone -- since they don't know, and don't think, they are.

An interesting interface experiment might be to apply a color filter (or somesuch) to these users, so that they become aware that their posts are deemed by an algorithm to be sub-optimal.

Seeing your posts start at a healthy color, and then gradually dip down into an unhealthy red might train people to stop replying everywhere?

The tl/dr; version of your post could be summed up:

"Ban commenters who have a style different than what I like"

Since that's the case, I don't really see a reason to continue.

Or... the flip side is that you've discovered something meaningful but, in the attempt to "be nice", you've left out critical information that I apparently need to see your post as anything other than the tl/dr; version. Name names or cite examples and maybe I can 'see' what you're talking about.

I see more problems with mobs of stupid comments attacking one person. Should that person let them alone? Probably, but explaining something to several people who are wrong is a good thing for each person receiving the reply and to a degree third party readers.

After reading some egregiously bad posts on here in a couple threads I'm thinking that a Chrome extension to collapse threads started by certain people, user's choice, is the best idea. That way if you and I think different people are the problem in a thread, we can each hide what we'd rather not see.

There are extensions available to let you collapse threads.

There are probably extensions available to let you filter certain users.

While these don't have the automatic filtering that's probably a good thing.

(BTW: I have an email address in my profile and if my posting style is annoying anyone I welcome email about it.)

EDIT: You have a perhaps over-strict deletion policy. People often make a mistaken down-vote, and those get corrected after a few hours.

> commenters who repeatedly respond to replies

But isn't that the whole point of Show HN posts?

Good point. I agree those are comments we wouldn't want to trip the filter.

A simple hack might be to just turn off the Bayesian filter on post titles beginning with 'Show HN'.

Since your essentially calling for these people to be banned, I don't think it would be impolite to name names.

I think this is a bad idea. You cannot weed out bad behavior like that. It is like bad language filters: People get past them by using asterisks, etc. Someone who is pathological will just find other ways to be a persistent asshole. I think being too controlling winds up creating more problems than it solves, especially when you are controlling via this sort of filter. Reminds me of the sitcom where "black tie" invitations got changed to "African American Tie Ball" by a PC filter intended to root out unacceptable racial language.