3D Printed Car Is Nearing Production
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The machine pictured is a Stratasys Fortus 900MC, which costs $379,900. An annual lease on a machine of this type is usually about a fifth of its purchase cost, so let's be generous and call it $70,000 per year. Each body therefore costs about $20,000 in machine time alone, before you factor in the cost of materials and the not-inconsiderable amount of finishing that an FDM part requires once it comes off the machine.
There's nothing magical about 3d printing, so we could just as easily injection-mold these parts in exactly the same ABS plastic at a tiny fraction of the cost. There'd be no point, because ABS is a terrible material for car bodies.
Car bodies are largely stiffness-critical structures. In most practical materials, they're much stronger than they need to be once you've made them sufficiently stiff. That's why carbon composite is such an excellent material for performance cars - it's immensely stiff. You don't need to be an engineer to know that ABS plastic isn't very stiff.
The whole thing is hokum, absolute hokum.
The scaffolds are usually easily removed (made of a different material then the main structure), but still require manual removal.
FDM is great, I love it, but it's not a process for producing structural parts, and won't be for quite a while.
Sometimes, smart shapes are too smart for their own good. They are at the border of bad engineering.
EVERY single time I have personally known information about something reported in the news, the news has been wrong.
Thank you. You are like a sweet, sweet breath of fresh air, in this 3d printing hysteria.
And the cost to produce it? A few hundred thousand dollars of printer, a few hundred thousand dollars of designers and engineers, a bit of plastic...call if 5 million to be generous. On the scale of a wealthy nation like the United States, 5M is not much money. But the (perhaps tiny) chance that this project leads to discovery or innovation in manufacturing, fuel efficiency, 3d printing, etc. is worth far more.
If 3d printing produced useful parts, it would be absolutely ubiquitous in motorsport. In reality, it's of no real interest.
Formula 1 teams add new parts to their car at almost every race, iterating as fast as their wind tunnel and computer models will produce data. It's commonplace for an engineer to arrive at a racetrack hours before a race starts, carrying a brand new part. They almost exactly match the ideal use-case for 3d printing - they produce lots of one-off parts, where speed of iteration is vital and money is no object. In reality, most F1 teams use entirely conventional manufacturing processes, even for non-structural components like wind tunnel models.
3d printing is extremely useful in a small number of applications (mainly mold-making) but it's not new and it's not revolutionary. Most manufacturing processes are dipshit-simple, even if you're producing something very complex. Just as in programming, we combine lots of simple processes into a sophisticated whole.
(Source: I used to own a 3D printing company doing every type of 3DP process)
I am impressed that someone took 3d printing this far, it shows the many uses traditional automakers will be able to derive from it, mostly on the component sides. There is no reason dash assemblies could not be done this for current makers other that costs and and that printing time. You can bet they have or are looking into such technologies.
There are many tricks to forming car bodies in steel that allow for variances of thickness and such. Hot form steel manufacturing being introduced now allows for thinner and stronger stamped steel parts; essentially a water cooled press.
So while its neat, its not a car, yet.
That was about a decade ago, so I'm sure they've moved onto more exciting things.
The point is that the spare parts you need can be made with traditional manufacturing processes because that's how the original was done. Just because you only need one, doesn't necessarily make it easier to produce by a 3D printing machine.
I'd say if you make a factory that takes raw materials and creates a series of one-off items, that you are engaging in production.
It seems like what you're really saying is, "this is not how production has been done in the past". With 3-D printing and related automation technologies, this will start to change very quickly. (It's already started, in fact).
"The design puts a tubular metal cage around the driver, “like a NASCAR roll cage,” Kor claims. And he also mentioned the possibility of printed shock-absorbing parts between the printed exterior and the chassis. "
Interesting demonstration of the technology, but if you want a light, non-structural body, carbon fibre (or even fibreglass if worried about cost) would almost certainly be cheaper and faster to produce.
It sounds sort of like a classic fiberglass kit-car... IIRC, those things were often essentially cool-looking fiberglass shells on top of dune-buggy-like tubular frames.
There's other safety concerns, but those have already been mentioned.
I'm guessing you wouldn't want to do it with the steering or brakes...
Also, being buffeted by the wind is massively affected by the suspension design. If the car is on soft, wallowy suspension, high up in the air (think Toyota Echo), you'll be fearing for your life. However, bring the car a little lower, improve the shock absorber design, work on the steering and suspension geometry, calibrate the tires to the car (not too wide, but not too narrow), and you can significantly reduce the effect of wind.
Printer costs too much? prices come down. Long production time? machines get faster. Materials not strong enough? they're getting stronger.
Sorry if the future will be here next Tuesday instead of today.
This is simply false. If a plastic 3D print were "as strong as steel", then we could print an entire gun that would fire more than one round. But we can't, because what comes out of plastic 3D printers is not remotely "as strong as steel".
The title is hype, not reporting.
Actually, the best bumpers imho are the flexible plastic ones that just plop back out if someone bump into it ar the parking lot.
If the title says it, it doesn't matter what the article says. My objection is to the title, and to the sleazy journalistic practice of promising something in the title that can't be supported by the article.
"Cancer Finally Cured!" -> "researchers report modest progress in alleviating melanoma in cockroach fingernails." (just an example, not real)
"Marijuana use leads to psychosis" -> "marijuana use correlated with a higher rate of psychosis" (this actually happened recently, multiple examples, but correlation is not causation)
Link: "http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pag...
Quote: "Cannabis use can cause drug-induced psychosis, trigger the first episode of a psychotic illness, or make a pre-existing psychotic illness worse."
It's entirely false, of course. There is no scientific evidence to support these claims. It's a classic case that confuses correlation with causation.
That was my point. The article title is sensationalistic without even the article itself supporting it.
Though I guess those kinds of printers are really expensive and take days to complete a fender. So I guess for a long while you'll have to have a central location do all the printing. Which defeats the whole point really.
Seems like he's trying to mention every buzzword possible, even if they contradict.
Also, how do you repair it if it's all one piece?
Of course carbon fibre is the composite of choice at the moment and it's relatively expensive but surely that will change.
✝Sorry, I'm an American.
Wish British english would adopt more American spellings - try explaining to a dyslexic child why label and table end differently!
There's just quite a few places where it makes more sense!
The single wheel is in the back.
TVR made cars with tubular frames and fiberglass bodies for decades. And these were full on cars, not 3 wheeled toys.
TVRs spontaneously combust as well thanks to the fiberglass which is rather flammable.
Citation needed.
IME, TVR's break down long before they get hot enough to combust.
True! My cousin bought one and it broke down on the forecourt.
As do the latest Ferraris[1], so I wouldn't knock TVR too much.
[1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_458_Italia#Wheel-arch_...]
Only printing the body takes... 2500 hours.
So one printer can create a body in... 105 days!
So if this was to scale to, say, 100 000 cars per year one would need 30 000 printing machines. That would be quite a huge factory and it begs the question: who's going to produce the printers? (and how?)
But more seriously, I guess the speed could increase over time as the technology is improved, and unlike human workers these could run overnight?
Also he would probably make more waves/growth if he were to print up things like all-plastic parts for the Honda accord and sell it to local garages for 1/100th of the price.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylonitrile_butadiene_styrene
| ABS | Steel
---------------------------+-------+------------------
Compressive strength (PSI) | 6,750 | 16,000 - 70,000
Tensile Strength (PSI) | 6,500 | 36,000 - 115,000 (for stress-proof steel)
http://www.machinist-materials.com/comparison_table_for_plas...And yes, my earlier implication was that it is less strong than steel. A strength-strength comparison is probably not fair here as ABS would be considerably lighter. Even still, steel would be approximately 10X the strength, with about 7-8X the density. A further issue is that 3D printed ABS would not be as strong as bulk-material ABS, although I am told this is improving.