Get more women into tech, and then get over having them there.
What if women leave the field because they can't countenance working long hours with little social interaction like many men can? That could account for the high attrition rate while not being because of any sexism in the sector.
> The NCWIT reports 56 percent of women in technology companies leave their
> organizations mid-way through their careers, representing a significant and
> costly loss of talent. Reducing the attrition rate by just one quarter
> would add more than 200,000 staff to the IT workforce.
Tons of links: http://www.rarlindseysmash.com/posts/2012-06-11-diversity-an...
One of my friends has a series of blog posts. Even if you don't care for the text, she makes extensive citations:
http://www.rarlindseysmash.com/posts/2011-08-16-the-elephant...
http://www.rarlindseysmash.com/posts/2011-09-08-delicious-da...
You naturally cannot use a microscope and come to a fixed, proven conclusion. However, I would say that all of the causes of attrition are very likely based upon a prevailing systemic gender oppression (sexism.)
See, I provided as much proof for my argument as you did for yours. Where are we now?
I am dismissive regardless of gender when poorly argued points are made. It would be sexist of me to "take it easy" on a person because of their gender. If you feel like I am laying particularly hard into this poster, then I encourage you to peruse my post history and verify for yourself that I do not modify my strategies based on gender.
> Stop trying to intimidate a woman in tech who is trying to speak up about the pervasive sexism that demonstrably deters women from entering the field and then pushes women out when they do try to enter.
You say "demonstrably", but that is the exact point that is being argued. You are just taking it for a given. I am sorry, but I would need data to accept the claim. From my personal experience, I have not seen women driven out of the tech industry. I have seen a shortage of women in the tech industry, but I also saw a shortage of women in my college tech classes, and a shortage of women in my high school tech classes, and a shortage of women in my middle school tech classes. I could be wrong, but I don't think girls in 6th grade were discouraged from signing up for a programming course because they were afraid of sexism from the rest of their class. If anyone drives women out of tech, it is their parents who instill gender roles into their children from an early age.
> Stop the bullying. Stop the patronizing. Just stop
You call it bullying. I call it asking for data in a sarcastic manner.
I'm interested in knowing what sources you're referring to. You would do every single reader of your post a favor by posting a link to it, instead of referring to its existence but not giving anyone any way to find what you are referring.
Your response makes me think that you don't actually have a specific study or paper you are referring to - you are just referring to some gut feeling you have about the topic.
Could it be the same pattern at play with blogs on the internet?
How does discern sexual harassment (between adults with no business ties between them) from flirting?
I ask because I've also seen flirting remakers being conceived as "harassement".
That "the place was not appropriate" or "it was uncalled for" is not a proper answer I think. There would be VERY FEW relationships and/or marriages if people never approached other people out of the blue and in non-appropriate places (in a conference for example).
Are people (men/women/gay) ever SURE about when to flirt with another person?
By this logic, half of the population would have never been born (which might have been a good thing, with respect to overpopulation and all, but that's a different argument).
You're a bad person.
No. That's the strawman you made out of what I'm saying. Can you please respond to what I actually said and not put words in my mouth as you please?
What I'm saying is: some people can also consider completely casual flirting to be a "sexual assault". As in, when you're flirting you're never sure beforehand if the other part wants your flirt. And in many cases, it takes a little time to win them over (or fail). It's not like there's a standard protocol: "OK, you can flirt me now".
And yes, people DO fall in love in tech conferences, or meet possible partners, as they do in ANY other place, including offices and funerals. So they do have the right to approach someone else they like there.
>You're a bad person
And who are you to tell me that?
Apparently in your mind verbally assaulting someone you disagree with and telling them they are a "bad person" is perfectly OK?
That's your idea of making the world better by stoping sexism? Introducing hatr-ism?
Approaching someone and engaging in conversation with them out of potential interest in who they are as a person is nowhere near the same thing as making offhanded remarks on their physical appearance without so much as an introduction.
get it together.
By all means, enlighten me.
>Approaching someone and engaging in conversation with them out of potential interest in who they are as a person is nowhere near the same thing as making offhanded remarks on their physical appearance without so much as an introduction.
Sure, you need an introduction. I'm not talking about crash pickup lines or jerk behaviour. But if you like the other person, why would you say anything less in a tech conference that what you are OK to say in the park or the library or wherever?
Plus, this isn't 1950 Sunday school. People don't just like each other because of a "interest in who they are as a person". People can _also_ like each other on the physical level, and/or have one-night-stands and the like. And modern people don't find anything wrong with that.
>get it together.
May I suggest you avoid making offhanded remarks about me as a person such as the above?
So, the solution is to seriously restrict flirting at tech conferences as a form of harassment, but allow SYN, SYN ACK, ACK exchanges, and have people who want to flirt go to singles bars or 'geek mixer' events.
Can you understand this?
'The Commission wants to see more women represented in the making of economically significant decisions and has proposed a minimum harmonisation measure binding on all listed companies to create a level landscape. By 2020 all European listed companies should have at least 40% of their non-executive directors from the "under-represented gender". The Commission considers this project to be part of the completion of the single market project as well as an initiative to remedy an inequality. The measure is expected to impact upon 5,000 companies from across the Union.'
http://wedlakebell.com/articles-and-comment/2013/02/08/corpo...