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I have enormous confidence in the capabilities of the team working on Ember. jQuery, Sproutcore, Rails core team members. If you're a Rails developer, the existence of active_model_serializers as a quasi-standard for how JSON is shuttled between tiers suggests that Ember has taken a position of strong thought leadership on a lot of things that other frameworks just don't have the reach to do.

Also, the recent Peepcode screencast on Ember is brilliant.

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I think the capabilities of the Angular team are quite respectable as well. Speaking of "reach" and thought leadership makes think of the fact that these guys are working at Google! This seems to have several positive aspects:

a) Possibly a more solid stance on development (stable APIs, not ditching a project and rewriting (Sproutcore -> Ember). Sorry if I simplify too much here.

b) Being a little "strategic" for Google: In this podcast [1] Igor Minar seems to suggest that they have some influence with other people at Google who work on web standards.

Logic: Google goes great length to optimize Chrome performance - therefore needs to understand how modern websites work, therefore may want to influence how modern web development is done (through their own js framework) so that the Browser can optimize better etc.

c) Also note the existance of a Chrome extension [2] for displaying and debugging Angular.js models in the browser.

Logic: Google wanting to promote their browser - therefore adressing important multiplicators like web developers with useful tools for development, leading to more websites being developed, tested primarily on Chrome, making use of Chrome features etc.

Do you agree? I haven't heard too much commentary on the "big picture"!

[1] http://basementcoders.com/2011/08/episode-41-interview-with-... [2] https://github.com/angular/angularjs-batarangfor Chrome helping with displaying

a) Are you proposing that Ember should have stayed SproutCore? To date, Ember has been far more successful than SproutCore and the split has enabled us to make progress that could not have been made otherwise.

b) The Ember developers also have influence over those who work with web standards too. Yehuda Katz, of the Ember Core Team, is a member of TC39 and also W3C TAG. We regularly meet and converse with developers both for Chrome and Firefox. Furthermore, Chrome is not going to implement features that are only useful for Angular. Anything they implement that benefits Angular is also provided to be useful to a broader audience. In many cases, those improvements are also useful to Ember.

c) As announced at EmberCamp yesterday, there is also an Ember Chrome extension in development.

Thanks for the information!

There is a free alternative for angular: http://egghead.io/

There is also a paid screencast by railscasts http://railscasts.com/episodes/405-angularjs and if you want a good rails integration you should check this https://github.com/patcito/angularjs_scaffold (mine).

Looks like the peepcode screencast is paid:

https://peepcode.com/products/emberjs

I suppose you'll say it's well worth the money? Anyone else bought/watched this screencast?

I bought it. It was definitely worth the money.

Seconded.

I bought it too. It's definitely worth $12. Code School is also planning a course on Ember.js to be released in the coming months. It will be a paid (subscription) course as well.

I did notice that Ember.js ran quite slow in my local environment. I'm curious if there's something I could do to speed it up in development. Having played around with Discourse, I'm certain speed isn't a problem in production.

Definitley worth the money but for my taste a bit too basic

Bought it, and yes it worth the money and is a bit too basic. I think they are planning to do a sequel with more advanced topics, especially regarding ember data.

You haven't really answered any of the OP's questions.

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