DC-area schools consider copyright policy that takes ownership of students’ work
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The work-for-hire exception to the general copyright law principle that the right of copyright belongs to the creator from fixation is narrowly construed, and school pupils attending a public school don't meet the rather narrow exceptions that trigger the work-for-hire doctrine.
http://www.theiplawblog.com/archives/-copyright-law-ownershi...
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ09.pdf
School pupils are not employees of school districts. Works produced in the scope of employment by school district employees may indeed be works for hire (there is some scope for interpretation in applying this part of the work-for-hire doctrine) but, again, students and pupils are not employees of the school district. They have authorship rights in their works from the moment of fixation. (That students and pupils are usually minors, not adults, is an additional complication in asserting that right, but that doesn't pass the right to the school.)
Anecdote: I made a school art project in second grade, a picture of a Mongol horseman, that somehow was precociously good, probably because I had seen other such drawings at home when reading history books. The school's specialist art teacher was so impressed by the picture that she took it, and I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT AGAIN. Every time I tell this story, I encounter other adults who also remember producing an art project in school that was taken by a teacher, never to be returned. Thanks a lot.
My advice to parents, which I advise parents to memorize, whenever I speak at a public meeting about educational law: if a school official tells you that you must put up with some school rule, because the rule is the law, say, "What is your legal authority to ask me to do this?" Statutes and case holdings and administrative regulations have citations. If it's really the law, someone can look it up and see exactly what the law says. Schools can only make up policies under authority granted to the schools by other law-making bodies. And if a school district has a policy, it still needs to be written down somewhere. In my experience, most school district officials who say "It's the law" are nonlawyers and are often mistaken about what the law says. If a school tells you that you can't do what's right by your child because "it's the law," ask for the citation of the law. If it's really a law, there is a citation, and the law can be looked up. In the United States, under its Anglo-American system of law, the default assumption is individual liberty (and parents rather than schools acting in the interests of minor children), so make sure to check the specific law before believing your freedom is restricted by the law in the manner the school official claims.
SECOND EDIT: A different top-level comment in this thread mentions a policy of the University of California Berkeley. I have an inference about what that is about, and it would be enormously helpful to the discussion to link to the exact text of what students agree to as they enroll, which is surely a public document that very likely lives on the World Wide Web.
Unfortunately they're likely to mumble some semi-related law and then call the police.
A local friend of mine has a piece of advice that shows her understanding of the world from being a programmer for a large insurance company rather than a lawyer. As she asked for school accommodations for her four children (now all grown up and in higher education or private employment), when told she couldn't get what her children needed, she would say, "Who do I talk to to get an exception?" She understood very well that schools are bureaucratic organizations, and that all bureaucratic organizations have some higher bureaucrat who can make exceptions to rules. (I think she learned that at the insurance company where she does her programming.) I now add her phrase to my parent talks to supplement the more lawyer-like phrase that I mentioned in my first comment in this thread.
That's excellent advice, and it's something I quite often. "I don't know your system, and so I don't know who to ask or what questions to ask. What do you suggest?" turns unhelpful conversations into productive discussion.
In the UK there has been some problem with photographing your children at school events. Schools claim compliance with a variety of laws, but the reality is they just don't want people taking photographs.
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/jun/23/photos-ch...)
> But only recently news emerged of a parent who, in 2007, was threatened with arrest by police as he arrived at his daughter's school if he proceeded to break the school's ban on photography at a nativity play. The same school in Leicestershire still has the ban in place, although photographs can be taken after the performance is completed.
This follows a weird restriction on photography in public in general in the UK. Youtube has many videos of people being told by police to stop taking photographs in public. This has been such a problem that one police service had to issue updated guidance.
I think you missed my point: The fact they accused you of refusing to leave does not mean you did, in fact, refuse to leave.
Notably, PG County has an awfully run government that presides over a relatively low-income population generally composed of Latino immigrants and African-Americans pushed out of the District itself by rising home prices. I've seen a picture before of the average income levels in the counties surrounding DC. Montgomery, Arlington, Fairfax, and Loudoun counties are all top 10 in the nation. PG sticks out like a sore thumb. Adding to that, they have by far the most racist police force you'll find. A friend of mine has been pulled over and searched multiple times there solely because he is a young black driving a car that doesn't look like it got pulled off the scrap heap. The last thing that county needs is something that stifles the abilities of its younger residents to try and create something new and interesting for their local community and at-large.
Really? According to wiki, the median household income is over $71,000 and 38% of households earned over $100,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Georges_County,_Maryland...
edit: okay, I suppose PG county is lower income than Montgomery, Arlington, Fairfax, and Loudoun counties, but the population is certainly not "low income" even for a high-cost-of-living region.
[1]: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/local/highest-i...
If memory serves, it's the wealthiest majority minority county in the nation.
It also bears mention that, while not directly correlated, PG county has at times had a murder rate on par with Baltimore.
PS: Schools often run into this issue when trying to set up contracts with students / parents.
While I can at least imagine them being able to get teachers to sign some sort of copyright transfer agreement, I have a really hard time seeing how they're going to be able to get the copyrights of students. Copyright law requires a written memorandum of transfer so what could they do? Tell them to sign a copyright transfer or be expelled?
That isn't actually a copyright issue unless the teacher copies it and/or distributes it. It may still be some form of theft though that assumes it wasn't lost while in the teacher's care for valid reasons.
Is anyone at this school system even wondering, "does society at large benefit from this?"
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[1] As pyre points out below, this is the case in the US, but not necessarily in Europe, where the history of copyright is much longer and more complex. (Thanks pyre!) The Copyright Clause of the US Constitution is: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause
The Prince Georges policy has no legal standing because first graders cant enter into contracts. Apparently nobody contacted a minimally competent lawyer.
The lesson here is that schools won't do your work for you. They have zero incentive to educate you about you rights. They can tell you the law is whatever sounds convenient for them--they're gambling that people will just go along and not check.
Hm...
IV C. Student Work
A student work is a work produced by a registered student without the use of University funds (other than Student Financial Aid), that is produced outside any University employment, and is not a sponsored, contracted facilities, or commissioned work.
Ownership of copyrights to student works shall reside with the originator.
and a terser version at: http://copyright.universityofcalifornia.edu/systemwide/owner...
Note also that schools using anti-plagiarism services like TurnItIn might want at least an implied license to copy putative student works so they could submit a copy of the work to the service.
There's an excuse for you. "No Ma'am, I don't have today's homework, I'm under nda."
(1) It was a ridiculous contract, probably completely invalid because I was 17 at the time, but still... Homeschooling for business reasons?!
This would, therefore, include work done for school, if a transfer of copyright for schoolwork is required as part of the education.
Here they are just taking IP (of which 99.999% is going to be basically valueless). The only part that might make money would be selling lesson plans, but that would become a saturated market pretty quick.
Schools now do something similar, but without the competition.
Slightly sleazy, but clever business plan.
* Sue students are assisting plagiarism (allowing others to copy answers)
* Regulate libraries as intermediaries for transmitting and publishing unlicensed content (eg: counterfeit books, unlicensed books), inadequately securing the photocopying machines, borrowed material, and other potentially infringing assets
* Sue libraries for encouraging, enabling, or facilitating infringement (ie: studying)
I foresee a future where libraries are regulated and managed in the same manner that ISPs are, perhaps even more-so due to the physical limitations and monetization of the unlicensed content available.
In order to store students work in the plagiarism detection system, the student has to grant the university/turnitin an appropriate copyright license.
So, they are going to prefer the second, as the pitfalls of the second are primary the objections of students.
...Yes?
IAN(Y)AL. But licences aren't revocable by default. If I grant you a licence by contract, then you have a licence. If I want to revoke it, I have two options.
- One, I can ask you if you'd be willing to waive/vary the contract, in return for some good consideration. But you don't have to accept.
- Two, I can send you a letter saying "I revoke your licence", sue you, and crucially, try to convince a judge to imply a term into the contract that allows me to revoke the license. Which is pretty hard. Terms aren't implied lightly. Especially if I put the word "irrevocable" in the contract, no-one's going to imply a clause saying the exact opposite.
Important thing: "by contract". If I grant you a licence gratuitously, outside of a contract or deed, that's different.
> Questioned about the policy after it was introduced, Jacobs said it was never the board’s “intention to declare ownership” of students’ work. “Counsel needs to restructure the language,” Jacobs said. “We want the district to get the recognition . . . not take their work.” Jacobs said last week that it was possible amendments could be made to the policy at the board’s next meeting. The board approved the policy for consideration by a vote of 8 to 1 last month but has removed the item from its agenda Thursday.
Use of Creation of Copyrighted Materials (Prince George's County Public Schools) http://www.boarddocs.com/MABE/pgcps/Board.nsf/files/943N845D...
My ideas are:
- Students own their own work; even if they don't really care for it. I don't see any value in a 10 year pile of homework, but if you create a great piece of art, you should be able to take it home. Realistically, most work is valueless and binned.
- Any created teaching materials may optionally be released as open source, under some license that prevents anyone profiting from them. There's often a gap between good work, and good releasable work (final polish, consistency and so on). Anyone (e.g. some school district) wanting a particular set of work released should be prepared to fund this final polishing. So, a teacher could make a great course, subsequently receive funding to make it brilliant for others, and share it with the world. Thus any good teaching materials created benefit the most amount of people.
Not applying copyrights to education and knowledge, because copyrights make no sense in an age of widespread fast Internet access. Further, as public schools are government entities, they should not have copyrights at all; all unclassified government work should be in the public domain, and schools should not even think about classifying their teachers' or students' work.
What are the implications, for example of a student preparing a piece of work that breaches the law in some way and then immediately informing the authorities since the school board now owns said work.
I can imagine the Board finding themselves owning all kinds of work that 'accidentally' breach copyright. It might be interesting to try and engineer such a 'poison pill' piece of course work and watch the board squirm as they argue that 'this really doesn't belong to us'.
Also -- 'being the copyright holder of a work that infringes copyright' isn't a thing. If I copy Harry Potter, by the act of copying I'm infringing JKR's copyright. That I assigned copyright of any original works I make to X doesn't make X liable to JKR for that instead of me! (I can't assign JKR's copyright to X - I never had it in the first place).
(Even if I make a derivative work of Harry Potter without permission - so there will be new copyright which can be assigned to X - that doesn't change anything. It just means that you'd need both JKR's and X's permission to copy it. It wouldn't make X liable to JKR).
Not to mention, works doesn't necessarily "belong" to the copyright holder. I may own a painting, but the artist still hold the copyright on it. Wrong's generally aren't about 'belonging', anyway. Most restricted things are acts (e.g. making a copy of a copyrighted work, or communicating it to the public). Possession of an infringing work is usually only a wrong when coupled with e.g. intent to sell.
(IANAL)
Or do they just quietly get on with teaching students?
It's become all too commonplace that I just hang my head in shame and grow depressed to see my fellow human brothers and sisters become captives of selfishness and corruption.
There's no way the students would be thinking up what they were without the collaboration of their teachers.
Sure schools should have special rules, they need to encourage not stifle, but in any logical sense it is their IP.
Maybe a better solution is some kind of joint copyright (if that's even possible)? Where one must get permission from the other if they plan on using it for publication or otherwise.
Oh I think there might be a term for that.
I understand that you're forced to go to school but how are you forced to complete assignments?
I grant you that hard-core slackers laugh at this until they can get away with dropping out, but a large majority of students will conform to the physiological pressure to comply.
High school sucked.
Now they're saying it's all a big mistake. Not sure I believe it.
http://www.gazette.net/article/20120622/NEWS/706229668/0/gaz...
As an aside, with the exception of a few well performing magnet schools, the schools are considered subpar.