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The people who are good programmers and know C well enough aren't the ones who stick with PHP. They moved on.

PHP is from newbies for newbies.

You would not claim this bullshit if you had any idea who is actually maintaining and using PHP. Unfortunately, somehow it seems fashionable to make broad statements about PHP without bothering to find out a single bit of information.

You don't remember the code examples on Zend Technologies' own website? Teaching PHP with really embarrassing security holes.

Or Rasmus Lerdorf who releases software that doesn't run all unit tests?

Read the source code to MediaWiki some time. You can say a lot about MediaWiki, Wikipedia and PHP, but at least MediaWiki is PHP done right (if such a thing is possible).

Actually the comment is spot on.

It's a stinking shit crock from end to end. Just because it has a few celebrity developers like Rasmus, doesn't mean it doesn't fuck you in the eyeballs the moment you see it.

Just sit down for a couple of hours with tmux fired up, and vim with bits of ZE source code on the left and on thr right, Python.

You will see. It will make you sick looking at the ZE source code.

I work as a PHP developer, but for personal projects I create apps with Java on Android, and have also created iPhone apps with Objective C, I disagree with you. PHP has some issues (like the ones presented here), but its also a great language for specific projects. I do prefer Java syntax honestly, but I'll never use JSP for a website, PHP is more adapted for that. PHP is not for newbies, it is easier for newbies yes, but you can be a hardcore programmer and still use PHP.

i bet you think whatever language you use makes your balls bigger , but not your brain obviously, because you dont know what PHP is and how it is used everyday by million of businesses. In fact you must be a noob, only noobs talk like that.

That's the definition of a newb's statement. What are you, 16 years old?

Like the "newbies" at Facebook, Yahoo and tons of major sites using Wordpress, huh?

You created your account just for this?

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