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House Bill Will Ban Open Access to Scientific Publications

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These articles are interpreting the bill slightly wrong, although the end result is mostly the same. The bill bans government-mandated open access, but scientists are still allowed to voluntarily submit their papers to open access journals such as PLoS.

That's interesting, thanks for pointing it out. I'm just as annoyed as before though. I don't follow why government funded programs cost money if they don't have to. If the government pays then the citizens should have access to the information as soon as possible.

Thanks for the clarification.

Just a thought experiment: forbidding scientists to submit papers to open access journals would be a bit too draconian, wouldn't it?

That sounds like it would be a first amendment problem.

It would certainly be evil, but not be unconstitutional, for the government to require government-funded researchers to publish their government-owned ideas wherever the government prefers.

If I develop cold fusion 'using university resources', then it's theirs, according to my contract.

There is a real possibility that lobbying by scientists is at least behind this. I can easily imagine someone so angry that their grant forbids them from sending their paper to Nature (which has prestige above any open journal) that they write to their representatives.

That is a good point. But they can still submit to the Proceedings of the National Academy, which is an equally prestigious journal.

I wish Americans wouldn't call a bill an act until such time as it is enacted. When I read about the Blah Blah Blah Act, it is often not clear whether it's a law or merely a proposal for a law. The British practice of always calling it the Blah Blah Blah Bill until such time as it receives royal assent is better, IMO.

"John Conyers (D-MI) apparently has a problem with this. He is pushing a bill through Congress that will literally ban the open access of these papers, forcing scientists to only publish in journals. This may not sound like a big deal, but journals are very expensive."

Who would have foreseen that academic journals had such lobbying power? I am disgusted.

Many universities are following MIT OCW's great example and making their lectures and course materials available online for free. Only a spineless, corrupt politician would try to go the other direction.

If I remember the numbers correctly, he is getting about 4x the contributions from the academic publishing industry that non-supporters do. Anyway, all of these sums are pretty trivial.

My roomate's uncle threw around something like $40,000 in the Capitol and got a several million dollar award to do some preposterously high margin "aid work."

I expect our government to be for sale. I am pretty upset it is so cheap.

One idea I like is to pay members of congress a ton (like $3M/yr) and then execute them if they do anything wrong. Or something like that. That's like $2B/yr in salaries but would probably save $500B-$1T/yr in graft.

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