"TLDR" is unnecessary
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The "TLDR" is all-caps, so it grabs your eye out of the wall-o-text that you may be skimming over, and says "hey here is my basic point". And maybe then you'll go "hey that's an interesting point" and scroll back up and read their lengthy argument, story, or whatever, in all its labrynthine discoursiveness.
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TL;DR: One sentence with a block of all-caps beginning it sure catches your eye at the end of a long post.
I totally agree with TL;DR usage, it's a modern device for modern internet communication. People continue to use it because it's useful and works, not because they have an agenda to ruin the english language or are semi-illiterate. Possibly my favourite thing about it though is its lack of pronounceability. Its entirely invented and used as a written construct and is actually quite cumbersome to try to say out loud.
I do agree that TL;DRs can be elided for articles that simply state facts or uncontroversial ideas.
Characterizing my opinion of writing as either something you 'win' or 'lose' is itself narrow (and frankly, almost insulting). I have to feel that you coming off this way is a byproduct of the Internet. I'm not trying to chastise you here. I understand that what I wrote initially might come off in a way I didn't intend, but you have to meet me halfway by assuming I'm not a total jerk.
Writing isn't about winning or losing, it's about sharing ideas. And yes, there are better ways and worse ways to share ideas. A conversation around a dinner table is probably better than an essay ever will be - but you can still try to get there. You can either hear this fact and say "aha, I should try to be more clear in sharing my ideas" or you can say "that's fatalistic, and writing isn't a game." I can't fault you for choosing the latter, but I do ask that when I choose the former you remember that I do it just because I want to be understood.
To respond to Fusiongyro's point that this is a narrow view I point out that generally in writing style should change with context. In some cases the author of the article is exactly right about summing things up in the first sentence, in others johnfn is.
TLDR: Whether to use tldr depends on what experience you're looking to give your readers, what you're writing about, and who you're writing for.
1. If you're writing a piece in which "the journey" isn't important, then you should put your conclusions up front like a good journalist.
2. If you're writing a considered, long-form piece in which readers' appreciation of your conclusions is path dependent then a TL;DR is obviously counterproductive - if it's necnessary for a reader to actually read the piece, it doesn't make sense to reward those who skip to the end or didn't comprehend what they read.
TFA took point 1, you and GP took point 2. Nobody (except Charlesmigli) has given an argument that TL;DRs have a place.
The biggest problem I find with TLDR is that people that use it do so incorrectly. You don't put your summary at the end of the article. You put it at the beginning.
I also find many writers who use TLDR explicitly are rather poor writers. Lots of spelling and grammar mistakes, and the inability to make concise, cogent points. And not knowing what cogent means.
On the other hand, if it's a personal story, I would rather have it at the bottom, so as to avoid tiny spoilers.
It seems bad to admit this, but I'm either too lazy to go back and rewrite or I just don't care enough about the audience to give them a well-formed read. Occasionally I think I'd feel "dirty" going back and putting the conclusion at the top, as though I'd be pretending that the insight came to me fully-formed, that my stream of consciousness just happened to dispense a perfect micro-essay on the topic.
That said, many of the best comments I read are "well-composed", and the posts made without relfection or consideration probably contribute to the decline in tone.
TL;DR: I'm conflicted.
As a reader, prefacing that first line/paragraph with "TL;DR" means that all I'll have to read is just that part. This is useful because not everyone uses their first paragraph or sentence to outline the general idea of the article. For example, there might be an anecdote, or a quote, or whatever else to start the article.
There is in some subreddits. Not the big ones, but that's the point of having subreddits, isn't it?
Any time you want to generalize about all of Reddit, think of New York City: "There's no expectation of depth in New York City" just sounds wrong, doesn't it?
If you think about forum posting as a medium, then a "tldr" makes sense -- generally, you scroll down a list of messages. When you encounter a wall of text, you can either start reading (to see if you'll want to read the rest), or keep scrolling past until your eyes reach the "tldr" symbol, which draws you to the main "point" of the post without requiring you to mentally invest in reading the whole first paragraph.
While it is true that it is entirely possible (and common practice) to provide the content of a TL;DR in the first sentence, it might not always be there. The reader can only know if the first sentence was a summary by first reading it (see the Halting Problem).
TL;DR is an elegant solution to this problem because it only requires five (minimally four) characters to be read to identify the summarizing statement, and then consume its content. And with the immense amount of content begging for my attention on the Internet, I for one appreciate being able to quickly determine if reading the article in question is something I will likely want to do.
TL;DR: TL;DR != opening sentence
Oh yeah, totally write like Hemingway if you want the internet to pay attention.
It was: "If you summarize your idea in your first sentence, writing "TLDR" is superfluous."
He wrote the TLDR summary, he just didn't preface it with TLDR.
That to me is the great thing about this article. He's following his recommended practice to illustrate the point.
A better argument against the tl;dr would be that the piece you're writing it for becomes redundant, provided it's an accurate tl;dr. The term tl;dr wouldn't be needed then, because the tl;dr itself becomes your piece.
If it isn't an accurate tl;dr, there's no reason for providing it in the first place, except maybe for giving a rough idea of what your piece is about. OP rightly points out, though, that conventions already exist for just that. A descriptive title or an introduction clearly distinguishable from the rest of your piece, for example.
When someone opens your webpage, they are entering into an implied agreement with you. They are seeking information and you are supplying it to them. If they are unwilling to uphold their end of the bargain by demanding a TL;DR from me without giving me the chance to read my words, I don't feel any obligation to satisfy them.
The other half of this implied bargain is that I simply offer what they came to find, and if I fail them in that regard, then I should be required to post a TL;DR because all 2000 to 3000 words I blathered out should be in 50 words or less. If I was able to offer a 50-word summary, then I would have simply tacked on an extra 25 words and eschewed the TL;DR.
If you don't like my attitude, that is fine. You probably aren't my target audience, and this is fine. The World Wide Web is a very large place.
I think the feeling is often "I made this so long because I did not have time to make it shorter."
Of course on the web, this is short-sighted and self-defeating. If you have a valuable thought that you commit to the web, you do so in the hopes that it will be read many, many times. You only have to write it once.
So to agree with dizzystar, respect your (potential) readers and spend a little more time making that thought concise.
I love it when I receive emails from readers asking me to clarify some point, or telling me about spelling errors. I also get requests to remove paragraphs. After about 5 minutes of pondering it, I find that they are usually right. It's not that difficult to delete a paragraph.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-11-08/news/091107024...
'A reader of "The Elements of Style" once sent E. B. White a clipping of a book review that misquoted William Strunk as having advised writers to "Use less words!" White wrote back: "I often wish Strunk could come alive so that I might hear the gnashing of his teeth."'
If paraphrasing Strunk he deserves a grammatically correct quote: "Use fewer words."
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/less-versus-fewer.aspx
// As noted in a sibling comment, the actual quote is "Omit needless words."
That only solves a part of the problem, though. Highly upvoted long comments on Reddit are particularly frustrating because so many of them have content that's weak or just plain wrong. I'm convinced that only a small fraction of voters actually read them.
TL;DR: most people can't English anymore.
http://www.quora.com/TL-DR/What-is-the-origin-of-TL-DR seems to offer a decent history of its early usage.
TL;DR is an inherent criticism of writing that lacks sufficient discernable coherent structure to rapidly assimilate meaning, whether by want of language, typography, or simply cogent thought. There's a lot of sloppy writing on the Internet (and off).
TL;DR is a recognizable convention that serves a purpose. It can be tagged on by others (the way I first saw it used), or be added by the original author, usually in self-deprecating jest, with the meaning of "do you find this too long to read, here's my summary" . Better if people would write clearly in the first place. Surely that's a simple technical problem, no?
TL;DR: Essay misses origins, benefits, and use-conventions of this hack.
TL;DR is, however, remarkably ineffective when it happens to begin every paragraph of an essay. Please avoid this use case.
My take on 'TLDR'. It isn't typically equivalent to a well structured opening paragraph. As others have mentioned, it's more akin to an abstract, as used in academic writing.
It denotes that the author will most likely use brief text to summarise and, for the sake of efficiency, it may be in a completely different writing style to the rest of the text.
TLDR is a useful tool for allowing readers to make a rapid decision as to whether the following content is relevant to them. In some ways I see it as a courtesy to the reader.
Look at the lede (the first sentence or two) of any article in any newspaper. It's marked in bold face, and summarizes the whole story. It helps the busy reader decide if he wants to "drill down" by reading the rest of the article. TL;DR could do the same thing, if only people put it at the beginning.
I teach essay writing, so I have strong views about this. ;)
My favorite illustration of this was in the movie "A River Runs Through It"—a young Norman brought his essays to his father, who would say always "Good. Now make it half as long." This was repeated a few times, then it was good enough. Would that more writers could follow this mantra.
An important UI component for this technique to land: the first sentence must be short, and on its own line. Do that well, and a "TL;DR" prefix is optional at best.
The tools that the English language now has to summarise and communicate thoughts most likely emerged as a convention after years or decades of use, just like any other part of linguist evolution.
I also disagree that having an acronym unfamiliar to someone would prevent them from reading on.
- Author should summarize their idea in the first sentence of their writings.
- Prefixing this summary with TL;DR is useless and asinine as it stands for "Too Long; Didn't Read".
http://tldr.io/tldrs/50f34acc3ea2fa3e06001f25/tldr-is-unnece...
I do agree that the acronym TLDR doesn't make sense, perhaps we need a new acronym?
Editing takes time, much quicker to slap a TLDR on top I suppose.
It's like a voting system. The ";" functions as the hash tag: "#tldnr", "#tldr", etc.
"T L ; D N R"
and
"... Too Long; I didn't read it"
Doesn't make sense. "N" does not pick out the beginning of any word. If you chance across the tag, your interpretation is less obvious than,
"... Too Long; Do Not Read"
The contraction makes sense, and thus the natural transformation into a meta-informative suggestion makes sense. Contractions serve to convey information, usually engendering more intimate dialogue. So it also invites the question of "why not"? And we all know how that goes. It invites the author and really any reader to a game not dissimilar to trolling, usually. It may not take a position necessarily, in terms of the message, and this is not required of what I am saying; however, an explanation of why one would post it at all stands in order. I think the conveying of information to other readers is also important.
Yes, of course I read it; but _why_ am I posting it?
I'll start deriding TL;DRs as unnecessary when academic writing no longer uses the Abstract.