The Ethics of Biologically Enhancing Soldiers
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In other words, it's not the bio-engineered solider with the special enhancements that should concern thinkers. It's the remotely-controlled soldier of 2050 operated from thousands of miles away. Our bio-enhanced guy will be sitting in a Starbucks in Deluth slurping down a double-latte, not marching off to war somewhere.
As robotics takes off in 20-40 years, we're going to see a very real division between countries that can field robotic armies and countries that cannot. All the engineering the world isn't going to make a human emit less infrared radiation, or stop having the electrical signals that form a heartbeat. The history of warfare is just as this article indicates: a tool-using species coming up with more and more efficient ways to slaughter each other. Robotics offers the ultimate tools in this area: targeted lethality, impervious to human frailties, and an Information Age cleverness. They'll make chemical and biological weapons -- and enhanced ground pounders -- look like a day in the park.
You really don't want to be a freedom fighter in the year 2050. Or piss off a major world power.
Combat AI makes much more sense, since they can react faster than a human sitting behind a computer separated by a further thousand miles away. The latency will add up, and reaction speed is going to be a decisive factors between combat robots. Telepresence might makes much more sense if you can decide on a slower time frame such as strategic or tactical decisions but those will be increasingly be made by the AIs or the humans near them.
You can't beat the speed of light, or the time it takes nerve impulses to fire Especially once we see armed robots facing other robots, the people will quickly be shuffled out of the mix.
Having said that, my bet is that telepresence still rules to some degree. What you'll see is more strategic control. Just like with HFT, the tactical stuff will simply happen too quickly for meat bags.
It'll be interesting if we start seeing a "war of missiles" for land forces like we've seen play out in the skies. Ground-to-ground anti-robotic ordinance shouldn't be too difficult to produce. It would have a much different signature than other forms of ordinance. If the pattern holds, this would lead to stealth robots, which would be a very interesting development. Hoards of invisible, lethal, ground-based intelligent robots is a pretty freaking scary scenario.
As drone-on-drone combat becomes more common, you're definitely correct that more decisions will be made by the drones, without human intervention. I can imagine drones having a bedrock set of commands that don't require human approval (such as, "if another aircraft is shooting at you, drop what you're doing and shoot back"). Humans would still provide overall goals, such as "blow up that bunker", but the drones will have increasing autonomy in how that is carried out.
There's an interesting parallel to the Mars rovers here, precisely because of the massive latency, even though Mars isn't an actively hostile environment. I don't recall the source, but I remember reading about Curiosity having much more autonomy than previous versions. It's given the same bedrock set of commands ("don't drive off cliffs", "don't smash into large rocks", etc), and human operators give it a similar set of high-level goals ("drive towards that weird outcropping over there"). This lets it explore much more efficiently than driving a few feet, waiting on an Mars-Earth-Mars round-trip for instructions, and so on.
Maybe. The problem is identifying friend and foes. An AI might need more time than an actual person. Beyond that, losing a robot is not a big deal compared to losing a person, so the mistakes made in the field (ex. killing an innocent person who happened to get in the way) can be lessened because the fear of death is no longer there for the soldier.
"Friendly fire" from remote-operated robots would be pretty hard for people to cope with.
'Robots killed my dad, a hero soldier who fought for this country' is a headline no-one wants to read.
2573 Hostile action
2496 IED
665 Non-combat
402 Helicopter accident
361 Vehicle accident
63 Unknown
39 other-unknown
31 Airplane crash
Over 800 are accidents, and IEDs are just enemy robots.If we put robots in the field and leave our soldier at home / base using telepresence to control the robots, the soldier don't have the immediate fear of death and can take the moment needed to identify friend, bystanders, or foes. Friendly fire wouldn't be much of a problem if none of our soldiers are actually in the combat zone. Robot blowing up, bad but no headlines.
You get people to surrender by being reasonable and helpful until they shoot at you, and then fighting back fairly following the rules of war. You have to make being a soldier in your army seem like a better life than being a soldier in their army. Telepresence and combat AI have some value, but will not achieve the main goals.
1) It doesn't matter if your target has a heartbeat when the seven civilians loitering in the area also have heartbeats (and you don't know which one it is) or when your targets heartbeat stops because he just blew himself up in the middle of a market square, and you didn't even knew there were enemies around. Or when your soldiers die because they accidentally kicked over a piece of trash that was wired up to blow an old soviet grenade.
The attitude that all we need is much better equipment is the same attitude the current leadership of the pentagon has -- but it couldn't be further from the truth, because compared with the weapons the iraq fighters and the Taliban currently have, our weapons are already much better.
What we really need is much better intelligence.
Having said that, the point here is that massive, inexpensive, intelligent, and mobile systems will work alongside troops on the ground more and more as warfighting evolves. This will happen much the same as the dog, horse, or mule worked alongside fighters, only the robotic versions will continue to increase in functionality.
But in the end that's a process discussion -- how will things advance over time. My point was that just like in all other fields, our helpers will soon become our betters. Won't happen for decades yet, but you can be sure it's coming sooner or later. And at that point, just like every other human endeavor, some pimply-faced kid in a Starbucks can control just as much firepower as a four-star general. It will just be a matter of credentials and security.
It is just that we need much better intel to be able to do these kinds of raids.
One reason is that even in war, most people are reluctant to kill enemy soldiers. But few would have much trouble sabotaging robots. So telepresence robots won't cause the civilian population to accept the new regime.
Despite some effort, I have not managed to cause people to form the sort of bond with a telepresence robot that naturally forms with people thrown together.
Meanwhile, telepresent groups of drones and semi-autonomous turrets would be used to fight any localized resistance and protect important objects.
I think (and hope) we won't see any major conflicts like WW1 and WW2 in the future, since there's really no good reason for one (even Europe finally gets it, hence the EU), unless it's an alien invasion...
> You really don't want to be a freedom fighter in the year 2050. Or piss off a major world power.
You would think that would be the case today, with all our computers, fleets of carriers and aircraft, intelligence and satellites... and here we were having trouble with IEDs and roadside bombs in Iraq.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/02/more-t...
is an older article (February 2012) from the same author as
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/01/could-...
(4 January 2013), submitted to HN
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5010370
with a confusing altered title.
However, if a total loss (say, genocide of your people) is a possibility (as in parts of WW2 or the cold war mutually assured destruction) then the ends may justify the means. Quite a lot of means.
The (non)ethics of enhancing soldiers and using robots pale in comparison to the (non)ethics of participating in warfare and weapon design and manufacture in the first place.
I am far less concerned with philosophical question, such as whether a person engineering to be the smartest would be smart on his own right; would a person engineered to be the strongest & fastest be a successful athlete in his own right, or is it simply an unfair inter-species competition which is no different than pitting a disabled person vs. a healthy one; etc.
I don't want to get into whether I think letting him compete against regular athletes was a good idea or not for that specific event. However I think there needs to be care because where is the line drawn? How advanced do his blades need to become before it's just not fair any longer?
Oscar Pistorius. He's a multiple gold medal winning Olympic athlete. He has two blades. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Pistorius)
watching legions of homeless, mentally ill vets mill on the street below
I get that technology is changing the world, and that drones HAVE changed the battle field already, but on balance it seems well known that one day we'll walk out of both of those countries either having lost or fought to a draw - how ever you want to spin it.
I don't see how an action shot of a solider leaping with metal assisted legs, never sleeping and eating grass will change that.
I would like the gene that let's me eat without getting fat. I don't want to eat more. I just want to enjoy food.
Needing less sleep sounds awesome. I enjoy sleep but I could mostly skip the unconscious part. Would like to keep the dreams though honestly I hardly have any.
Stronger or more alert sound like awesome enhancements.
Telepathy is already here. It's called a cell phone with wireless headset.
This framing devalues much of the content of the article. We are not frail.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v491/n7424/full/491488a...