Chinese Students Want To Know: How Do I Get Rich?
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Wharton Profs: 'Yeah, we've found that does not work so well.. at least for the last few months. I guess if you do not want to provide value to others you could figure out a good way to steal.. that has worked before'
Chinese students, to each other: 'Thanks for nothing..'
Wharton Profs, to each other: 'They seem to have the notion that because all of our students are making huge iBanking bonuses, we can tell them how to make a fortune without delivering any kind of value. Surely they could not have learned that from us?'
I can't imagine business schools are to blame, much more likely seeing people get rich in banking is to blame.
But what would you expect when finance industry jobs pay so much more than anything else.
It is surprising, however, that graduating students are still gunning for these i-banking jobs given current industry conditions. If you're bright, ambitious, and hard working, I would think the odds of procurring some measure of wealth from some form of entrepreneurship would be on par with i-banking. Students lack foresight if they don't see that the banking industry will be drastically changed given current events.
I think they are being delusional. For the next twenty years, minimum, bankers in general and investment bankers in particular should come to expect that if anybody's making lots of money, they're going to get scrutinized. Not just by the government and not just by the people, but by the banks themselves. The banks have seen what happens when you pay too much money to those people, and while the upper echelon shall always be handsomely paid, I think the rank and file are going to see a severe and long-term pay cut.
At this point, you tell an investment bank that if they don't pay a lot they aren't going to get the smartest possible people and the reaction is likely to be "Thank god! At least when they make mistakes they won't make really smart mistakes! Those are the worst." Why should they pay someone five million to destroy the company when they can find people for $200,000 who will do quite adequately? (Recall that "beating the market" is very hard and that an index fund is generally an astonishingly good investment, all things considered.)
It will come back, though. It will come back when those who remember how we got here are flushed out of the system and the people of 2040 or 2050 make the same damn mistake and fall into the credit bubble trap again, as the balance of the workforce tilts away from those who are at least 20 today. But that's probably not soon enough for the students of today.
Edit: and while I hope so, and we'll deserve what we get if we don't take action, it's actually not at all clear that the finance industry will be massively regulated after this, at least not in the right way. Many congresspeople are a combination of incompetent and outright owned by the finance companies and people.
Honestly, has anyone ever seen a better description of our problems right now?
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/02/we_are_all_vultures_now...
"How can I get that job? How can I get a high-paying job in investment banking now?"
How disappointing. It seems that these "very, very goal-directed" dudes are more interested in a cushy job at some shiny office than in doing new things, cool things.
I got that they wanted access to positions that would give them a reasonable chance of making tens of millions per year.
In other societies risk taking are discouraged (through various means). You should also take into account the difficulty of starting a business when you do not have access to capital.
The USA is one of the few countries that almost seems to reward risk taking and is not over-regulated (thereby cancelling out small companies). This is fairly unique and is probably a part of what make the USA great.
The good news is this isn't hurting entrepreneurship in China. There are far too many smart young Chinese that do not have these outsized expectations...and maybe more important have nowhere to turn but to start something themselves.
Maybe another way to summarize this article is "Wharton profs' only interactions with Chinese students is at the top .0001% of the class."
Insert something about sufficient sample size and selection bias here. Is there something hard wired in Americans' (specifically white Americans') brains that assume that anything they read about a few Chinese people automatically apply to the entire country?
PS: Though you guessed right that I am a white male, I must say that I am not American.
Of course, I'm a white American (that happens to live in China). Perhaps you have some insights that I'm lacking.
Your point about sample size and selection bias is right on. This is the real take away from the article.
Today, Taiwan's economy is HAMMERED by the worldwide recession, but I think the response will be to find more ways to do more entrepreneurial business formation, and Taiwan will be all right. China is in serious danger of unrest, by contrast,
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/02/27/business/AS-China-...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/4862517...
unless some economic transformation happens so that urban college graduates and rural migrant workers can find more employment soon.
Sure, people want money, but most believe that the only real way to get it is through some kind of graft or payoffs. Thus, the way to get wealthy is to get a high job in a large and established company or government organization, and put themselves in a position for the inevitable kickback. They may not paint it in those terms, but that's basically what those students were asking for.
Now for the caveats: There is an AMAZING amount of entrepreneurial activity at the bottom of the food chain, and there is definitely an emerging entrepreneurial class. China's also a huge and diverse country, and there's definitely pockets of Silicon Valley-like activity. However, culturally they're swimming upstream.
Frankly, I fear for the economic future of China unless they kickstart some more private business activity (particularly startups). The majority of economic activity here is in massive sluggish state owned enterprises, and that's a recipe for disaster if this economic downturn is long and nasty.
I've only spent a little bit of time in Shanghai, but I believe you. The unfortunate thing is that the top universities are mostly concentrated here in Beijing, and thanks to the hukou system, the best and brightest tend to stay here.
I live in Shanghai. All I see the new wealthy do is park their cars illegally in the bicycle lanes.
Operations, marketing, and the other essentials have a much lower salary and potential to growth. I feel that the traditional product-making firms should offer more "fast-track" positions to attract top students to create real products.
I feel that in our global society today, people are more interested in me than we.
My point is "traditional product-making firms" probably fail to offer fast-track positions because there is no fast track to being good at traditional product making.
I am certain though these people are the minority, just like the rest of the world I'm sure some students want to just make money and the others want to create wealth and products. And with the recession more people are wising up to it.
I remember thinking after the Columbia tore apart that space travel would be finished. How could we possibly risk more people in space after such a horrendous event? And that happened twice. There were lots of smart people working on those projects, doing lots of complicated work that few could understand. Did it affect millions of people? Other than emotionally, no. Were there immoral people working for NASA? Probably.
My point is that it took about 3 years after the Challenger disaster, and another 3 years after the Columbia disaster to get things moving again. Many changes were implemented. But rockets still flew.
The science didn't get any easier, and neither did the math. Rocket science and materials science are still chalk-full of tough, unpredictable problems, but that doesn't scare people away from being employed in those industries.
I-banking needs some sweeping changes. Perhaps the compensation will change as a result. At the end of the day though, financial engineering is still needed, and intelligent ethical leaders will be more in demand than ever.