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Photopea is proprietary, but thats a nit.

I'd like to see how far echelon takes it. The current iteration is somewhat unusable, but there's room given weeks and enough tokens to get this into a usable state, and I'm interested in nuking the entire Adobe business model from orbit.

And haven't we had enough decades for GIMP to get air? I'm actually a big fan of it and it's my primary image editor, but the amount of hate it gets on this and other sites is incredible. Everybody just complains that they want it to work like Photoshop, and now a guy is making that real and we say it's taking energy away from GIMP. That doesn't track for me.

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> I'd like to see how far echelon takes it.

Fascinating, I didn't know one of our resident "IDEs are obsolete and I never use them" commenters was demonstrating the complete uselessness of their mindset in production! Usually the vibe coders are cagey and never share their amazing 10x applications. Now we see why.

> but there's room given weeks and enough tokens to get this into a usable state,

There really isn't. I've certainly been down this road trying to understand the hype. The more complex the application gets the more the models will buckle under not having a solid foundation to work from, applying hacky patch after hacky patch. Simple changes will take 30 minutes, break three other things because the tests they write are trash, and introduce new edge case bugs. We've been hearing about how software development is over with every model release for the past two years, with the biggest upswing being since last Nov, and we're still hearing "just a couple of more weeks". When do we face reality?

I understand your skepticism. I'm actually pushing for this project to go as far as it can so that we can have the "facing reality" discussion, and see whether it completely collapses under its own complexity or if something usable comes out the other end.

>I'm interested in nuking the entire Adobe business model from orbit.

I really do wonder what will happen, is there any chance they manage to adapt instead of disappear? They can definitely afford more tokens than any random open source project, so maybe they'll have to expand their offering and reduce their prices, but that would probably only kick the can further down the road, and that's just Adobe, what about even more expensive software like Solidworks or Ansys?

<< I'd like to see how far echelon takes it

This will be the real test. I am an amateur, who needed some sprite editing, video edits and music changes. And I didn't use artcraft ( I might now though ) -- I vibe coded my own ( which brings me to another the other part upper echelon may be slowly realizing: they are not needed ).

> "Everybody just complains ... and ... we say it's taking energy away from GIMP."

It's almost like Hacker News is a giant group of people, and different subsets of people comment on different subsets of articles (aka, the Goomba Fallacy).

If only there were a commensurate number of people praising it, then I might not have framed it that way.

I would like to think that too, but the illusion was shattered in the past few years with AI comment spam and reddit-style injection of politics and astroturfing.

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