The knee-jerk reaction of banning AI is probably the wrong choice, people need to learn where the limits are, but I also wouldn't be able to suggest a framework where students aren't rewarded for skirting around being educated.
The knee-jerk reaction of banning AI is probably the wrong choice, people need to learn where the limits are, but I also wouldn't be able to suggest a framework where students aren't rewarded for skirting around being educated.
You are not going to put the genie back into the bottle.
I don't mean "AI" like generating quizzes or whatever. But people fooling themselves that LLMs are a "bicycle for the mind" with little kids are delusional.
i dont really think ai should be in most schooling, but calculators and computers also offload thinking. books offload memory.
Seriously? Idk about you but we weren't allowed to use calculators until long after we had already learned how to do whatever the calculator did by hand, except in cases where that was never the point of the lesson to begin with (like calculating cosines). And even then, sparingly. The reason they eventually let people use it was that it had nothing to do with the lesson being taught, and it was a waste of time at that point to make us do arithmetic by hand. Not because it suddenly became OK to turn off your brain and become lazy.
Yes, I remember those days all too well. "You need to learn to perform long division by hand because you won't always have a calculator with you."
LOL, no.
It will play out pretty much the same way this time.
Learning to do long division by hand trains the mind. It prepares you to understand polynomial division. It teaches you the deep connection of division and subtraction. So, mastering it should be part of the curriculum. As soon as it is truly mastered, it should be allowed to use a calculator.
I don't think I've ever had to do polynomial division by hand. It comes up in control theory and a few other subfields, obviously including mathematics itself, but for me it's always been handled by software. It's safe to say that any given clanker will have better odds of doing it right than I will.
But I think that this is foolish. Firstly, the fears weren't baseless! There's no question that the replacement of an oral culture by a literate culture meant the loss of certain cognitive skills for some people.
But more importantly, even if those fears were baseless, a fear in the past being baseless does not mean a similar one in the present is baseless. From our vantage point we can see the benefits of a literate society, but are we confident that what comes next will be as beneficial? Maybe it will be far more beneficial than literacy was, or maybe it will heighten inequalities to feudal levels. Either way, it's moving at a much more rapid pace than the spread of literacy, so we have much less time to reflect. It pays to be prudent here.
The number of people that cannot calculate a tip in their head, or have a basic grasp of how interest works is constantly shocking to me. Yeah, we all carry calculators around, but you should be able to reason about numbers enough to know when an entry error has been made on a calculator
We have seen how damaging these tech companies already are to society and children.
Why should we continue trusting an industry that has shown no inclination to well being of children and not merely trying to pursue more profits in the form of corporate welfare.
Absolutely not the same at all and shame on you for saying so.
The biggest tell is how none of these tech executives ever subject their own children to these supposedly "great tools." Because they don't help children, they're made to extract profits by whatever harms as necessary.
Harsh language is required because they are killing us.
Channeled correctly it could be a fantastic educational tool. And will be in my opinion.
Secondly it’s unclear whether shortcuts to many “answers” are wholly beneficial in many cases outside the academic sphere. Hence scandals when for example video educators use AI in their material. Or the general push back on AI writing, website design, etc. These answers are being pushed back on.
AI can give you 1000s of exercises and explain in great detail exactly how to solve them, and what you're doing wrong, as well as where you suck, explore other ways of solving and where you should improve. Learning to integrate or solve differential equations with Gemini is 10x better than even the good teachers I've had. It beats bad teachers because it's just simply better than them, and it really increases what you can learn from good teachers.
And the same goes for critiquing writing, whether code or prose. I do prose like 1/10th of the time, code much more often, but the problem with my writing is usually relatively basic grammar and consistent style problems. Also using codex with "I've written X, break my code" usually gives ... I should say usually more insight than I was ready for.
But yes one could argue that using AI not as a means for answering a class's problems but rather to generate more exercises could be valid. Though I doubt students have a lack of practice problems these days.
I find AI is a bad communicator. So it is quite awkward to take advice on prose from a system that generates bad prose, though that could be possible. Still it is unclear, one would have to judge what benefits arise.
Now my earlier point was not that AI is not useful in any way. It is useful with code. Though there is the larger conversation on developer enjoyment etc in the age of AI coding--where the speed of AI generated code is expected, and developers are more alienated from aspects that made coding enjoyable.
I sadly have to disagree.
An algebra book from (long) before 2000: https://archive.org/details/practicalmathema00castrich/page/... (yeah it's not a perfect example, but it's pretty clear what type of books I mean I hope. This book has at minimum 800 or so exercises, including a few at the end of every chapter that are at least university level. And that was typical)
Algebra books from nowadays: https://openstax.org/books/algebra-1/pages/quick-start (100 - 200 exercises maybe, and most are total crap)
And if the exercises are not in the book you use in class, good luck getting a teacher to help you.
Though we've had great educations for many years before AI. The cost/benefit is still up in the air for ai use. I for one would not want to spend my time learning from the bot. I find the way it puts words together tiresome. To rely on it for my education, not withstanding its addicting affirmations etc. is not a clear win for me.
Both books you mentioned exist for the curious student. And a plethora of other books. With a good text book you aren't left on your own to figure these things out, the chapters explain the process you need to take to arrive at a correct solution. Combine that with working with your peers, office hours, educational videos, and so much more, and there is a lot for the student. (I mean these bots are trained on an already existing corpus of information)
Mostly agree, but there is nuance to it.
People who engage with problems, think about them, reason about them, can ask AI AFTER that work, to get fruitful results - as in: increase insight. I'll have to find the study I'm referencing (might be a second)...
The issue is that isn't anyone's default mode of interaction with these systems...
Why would I believe that someone who can't use a mouse/computer is ready to be taught by AI?
The human element is critical for teaching, in my opinion. (Great) teachers are able to smooth over some of my criticisms of education. I also believe we are very far off from it being able to do even a bad job at teaching. So I'm not suggesting that at all.
What I'm talking about is teaching students how to use it, especially when not to use it, and how to get better results from it. I don't think AI is going to replace us any time soon, but people who use AI will replace those who don't.
But you can't do that without a certain level of maturity.
> but I also wouldn't be able to suggest a framework where students aren't rewarded for skirting around being educated.
Well, then "knee-jerk" ban AI in schools... until you can suggest such a framework, and test it to show it works, and roll it out at a society-wide level.
Until then, you're just handing kids flamethrowers in a highly flammable environment, and saying "we'll just figure out the problems later."
Ultimately it's the same issue across all technological tools. If the tools (AI, wikipedia, calculators, etc) can be used to complete work (or homework) without understanding the underlying fundamental concepts of the work being done, then you're hurting your education and/or professional development
As someone who graduated from college in the 2000s, I've been surprised to hear from recently-graduated colleagues that doing exams in person is no longer the default. That strikes me as the obvious first line solution for (at least) the STEM subjects that lend themselves to exams centered around technical problem-solving: exams in person, no phones or similarly capable devices, cheaters get a failing grade with no possibility for appeal.
The conventional wisdom when I was in school was that classes where homework isn't graded aren't really any easier for most students, because the homework is where you learn the skills, and if you don't do it then you'll fail the exams. Frankly, the same will be true either way for students who use LLMs for all the exercises: they won't learn the skills, and they will fail the exams. This is a working-as-intended outcome.
So why not start there? It's how school has ~always worked, so there's no question of feasibility. The only question is whether our will to give committed students a real education is stronger than our desire to productize education as a rent extraction scheme tailored to a nepotistic and shallowly credentials-obsessed society where having 'B.Sc.' on your resume sorts you one bucket higher in the algorithmic hiring queue to flip burgers at your local McDonald's.
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It's less obvious how to fix the humanities subjects where take-home writing assignments carry most of a student's grade, though I'm tempted to think that even a relatively simple and tightly scoped writing exercise given as an in-person exam could conclusively weed out most of the students who've been relying on LLMs to do the assignments for them.
That's just inane. The existence of the nailgun does not mean learning how to swing a hammer has no value.