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I don’t know why pro AI people have such a hard time understanding consent.

What is the consent line being drawn here? From handwriting recognition and mail filtering from back in 2002, face detection in iPhoto back in 2009, text to speech and Siri, dictation, NLP, text to speech, the vision framework, and Core ML are all examples of AI/ML tech that have shipped at some point standard on new Macs long before Golden Gate.

  What is the consent line being drawn here?

There's a pretty clear line at forcibly installing twenty-five gigabytes of ethically questionable garbage.

Some pro AI people have hard time understanding free will and what makes humans different from walking meat LLMs. Everything else stems from that.

Sibling comments are a sofist parade.

If you are still going on about the consciousness debate, I can put you in a jail cell and strap you down to a chair too. Can I claim you no longer have consciousness now and are an inert machine? If this procedure is not enough we can put electrodes in the brain and further restrict you for the thought experiment.

Ow, I've got my personal stalking maniac, such an honor :)

Tell me more about your fantasies about strapped people, darling. Let youself go!

Did you consent to every other feature of macOS, the many thousands of them?

This has nothing to do with consent. A product you use is going in a different direction than your personal preference. Nothing new here.

Intentionally eliminating a choice that they used to provide that many people would still like the ability to choose is not a new phenomenon, you're correct. That doesn't make it any less user hostile when it happens though, and I think plenty of people don't think "well plenty of other sucky things happen in similar ways" to be a good reason not to be upset when a new unnecessary sucky thing happens.

I agree, but labeling it a "consent" issue is completely stupid imo.

My instinct is that the use of the word "consent" is getting used a bit more aggressively lately with regards to AI features because of how pervasive they've become despite very often not having much user desire for them. It's certainly possible for someone object to something in a way that's worse than the thing they're unhappy about, but this doesn't seem anywhere close to that level IMO.

No it’s the attitude of “I don’t know why you don’t want it” and “just deal with it” and “learn to love it” and all the other things they say to accept technology. There’s no reason to force a multi gig file on someone’s computer when it’s a purely optional feature.

Plus there was a way to disable it easily, now it’s gone. That _is_ a consent issue.

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