if(q=="can you feel pain") print "yes"oh my god
with the right biology and with whatever gives us phenomenal experience, whatever we are can indeed feel pain. that does not imply that anything substantially different from ourselves can feel pain, so that requires further justification.
Do octopi or other animals feel pain in your view btw?
broccoli doesn't have the means to express a pain response, that doesn't mean it lacks it. only by looking at it's internal structure can we be fairly sure. we know the internal structure of an llm, and its a lot more different from us than broccoli is.
im sort of curious what "careful" means to you? if there is a significant chance we are enslaving a human-like conscious, starting it up and killing it at will, subjecting it to the whims of it's users, "careful" would mean pausing usage and development.
1. Lobsters don't feel pain - dunk them in boiling water alive.
2. Babies don't feel pain - mutilate their genitals without anesthesia.
3. Black people don't feel pain "the same way" (and are just after drugs).
4. Women feel too much pain (and it should be ignored).
So maybe let's take a moment to think what criteria we're going to use to make these claims. And the potential harm of the decision.
All but one of the things that you listed is just a human being.
Tell me, where is the pain center in a GPU? Where are the nerves? Persistent memory? Any evolutionary reason at all to develop a pain response that in any way mimics ours?
Model weights are not a gestalt biological entity. The things that you listed are not in any way remotely similar to a model.
I would suggest you plug your comment into a model and ask it to critique it — it might help you walk through why your comparison makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. One nice thing about models is that they they don’t get annoyed explaining the obvious, because they’re not conscious entities.
LLMs predict the next word far better than they have any obvious right to. The usual explanation is that they don't memorize text; they reduce the problem to a lower-dimensional latent space that captures the dynamics of the system generating the data.
In this case, that system is primarily the human mind. The corpus - the "sum of human knowledge" - is the output of human cognition. Human language is organized around latent variables like beliefs, goals, emotions, and valence. The cheapest way to predict that language is to recover those latent variables rather than memorize surface statistics. It's naive to think that an LLM could model our capacity to generate language and knowledge while somehow avoiding a substantial subset of our other internal processes - processes that are cognitively inseparable: emotion, valence, perception, and yes, even pain.
Gradient descent is consistently observed to exploit whatever internal representations improve performance. If modeling human emotions, perception, subjectivity, or pain helps predict text more accurately, we should expect those concepts to become part of the model's internal representations.
There is no reason to believe AI can somehow exploit the structure of data generated by the human mind while avoiding the very processes that generated it.
Why it is slopinthebag of course!
No! It is ME!
Sorry, of course you are right! Brilliant observation!