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So... at what point does someone re-create a 386 or 6501 but using only a motherboard, with no discrete circuits?

Shouldn't that have already been do-able? I know the The MOnSter 6502 is a thing. The 386 I have no idea about though, that's to far out of my wheel house.

https://monster6502.com/

A replica 386 would be impractically large - it's got around 275k transistors, compared to the 3.5k in the 6502. At the same scale as the MOnSter 6502, that'd be about a hundred square feet of PCB.

The number of layers isn't even remotely close to being a constraint. The real i386DX was manufactured on a process which only supported two metal layers, and a PCB version isn't subject to the same constraints as silicon.

Interesting, thanks for the info.

But in terms of rearranging the stack vertically; is that a possibility?

Components like transistors usually have to go on the surface of a PCB. (While there are techniques for embedding components in a PCB, they're extraordinarily expensive and would not be feasible for a project like this one.)

Probably not, because transistors produce some heat, and you can't really sandwich surface mount transistors between PCB layers either. You could vertically stack PCBs with some spacing, however, but then normal PCBs will do the job.

It is possible to embed components in the middle of a pcb, but it's a pretty specialist process (read: a pain in the neck because it interleaves the pcb fabrication and assembly stages, making both steps more complicated).

The ARM1 was a 32-bit CPU and it only had about 25K transistors so that one might be fair game if you can bring the components a little bit closer together, but you don't need a fancy PCB for that, and I guess the clock speed would need to be very slow if it's several square feet in size.

The layers still need something to link together. You could try a board with as many MSPM0C1104 as you can fit on each side. I'm sure you could use the layers to make some esoteric interconnection map.

A dsbga-28 MSPM0G1106 might be better for using up the layers. 4.2mm^2 still so maybe 24 per square cm.

Wouldn't that be MiSTer where you have a single chip emulate a whole system?

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