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> The catchup models are all basically distillations of the sota models

Source/citation?

https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/john-beren-charlie Is one of many and it describes how the dynamics well and talks about how proxy logs help.

Thoughts/opinions aren't source.

The people in that interview stating this are working at the forefront of open source models and research and includes a cofounder of OpenAI. They don’t say it like it is conjecture.

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