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well clearly your hate is morally superior and thus you're justified in your hate opposed to another because you're a brilliant thinker, right? regardless you saying that those who are far right hate people for something they can't change is just as funny as that first comment in the article, because for example, phrases like 'assigned male at birth' which is literally someone born as male then cosplaying a female. how is that someone who is "what they are and cant change"? i can personally find that to be revolting but it doesn't change reality. here is a good way for your big brain to understand it, say a far left person wearing a bunch of pride badges gets attacked in public for no apparent reason, you will still see a far right person assist in defending the individual they fundamentally disagree. now reverse the roles and say a far right person wearing a MAGA hat gets attacked in public for no apparent reason, and you will see the far left person assist in the attack. i might not agree with what you say but i will defend your right to say it, but the same sentiment seems to be lost on the opposite side of the political isle, they would instead celebrate and advocate violence against the other side "for what they choose to be"

Yes. They are saying that hating people for what they choose to be is better than hating people for what they are. Your point being?

Being trans is what you are, it has never been an open choice like how I can choose to associate with a different political party. If people could freely choose what gender they felt like without any mental distress or anguish involved, nearly no one would be trans because it is a massively repressed and limiting position in society, where a good chunk of the world population displays the emotional stability of a rabid bulldog when thinking about them. I could feel your fists clench through the text, especially when you think about only MtFs - a sign of very rational and stable views about gender roles.

Your example is just "let me tell you how good I imagine my side is, and how bad I imagine your side is. Not feeling so smart now huh?". Most far-rightists have no qualms about suppressing the other side if you look at how their societies act, from hyper-religious dictatorships to corrupt populist democracies. It's the right that's the most easily united under hatred, while the left is infamous for infighting and constant drama because they disagree on the minutia of some idea. A lot of the right can accept anything from a theocracy to the death of democracy if what they think gets instated. They do not care about anyone's rights or wellbeing. Maybe some on the regular right would disagree with some of these things, but not anyone who's deep into extreme ideology.

feel my fists clench through the text? that would imply anger, and if that's what your takeaway was, you live in a very comfortable bubble

Similarly, if this is your takeaway from the rebuttal then you’ve missed the points that were being made

>well clearly your hate is morally superior and thus you're justified in your hate opposed to another

Uh, yes? And you prove my point? Because when you give this scenario:

>say a far left person wearing a bunch of pride badges gets attacked in public for no apparent reason, you will still see a far right person assist in defending the individual they fundamentally disagree

Then the far-right person will earn my respect, not my hate, because it defended the basic dignity of someone attacked for what they are. We could even start a conversation on why they helped someone they think is a "pervert abomination" that "destroys civilization". See, I don't hate the far-right guy for things he can't change about himself, but for his beliefs and hurtful actions at this point in time. The second he stops being hurtful, I have no reason to hate him anymore.

Whereas for the guys who hate women/black people/brown people/Jews etc..., you can't do anything to change for the better, except cease to exist, either by physically dying, or socially dying aka. becoming subhuman/noncitizen.

>regardless you saying that those who are far right hate people for something they can't change is just as funny as that first comment in the article, because for example, phrases like 'assigned male at birth' which is literally someone born as male then cosplaying a female. how is that someone who is "what they are and cant change"? i can personally find that to be revolting but it doesn't change reality.

How exactly are you personally affected by "someone born as male then cosplaying as a female"? You find it revolting but why should you care about their private choices who affect only themselves? Why do you feel you have to interject and meddle and attack? The only "obligation" you may have is to call them by a different pronoun than the one you would like to use. Is that such a "violence" that you feel justified in hating them and denying them rights, job promotions, fighting for their country (voluntarily!) and going to a water closet? Do you feel also violence by basic politeness like when you have to tell someone ugly they are looking rather nice?

i am not personally affected in any capacity by trans gender individuals, nor do i hate them, i just find those people to be rather strange and don't want their public displays of indecency to be witnessed by children. if I saw a trans gender person being attacked by someone wearing a MAGA hat, i will aggress upon the attacker in defence of them, regardless of if that attacker shares some of my own beliefs, he clearly doesn't share my belief in a civil society. i extend that same sentiment of protection to any person regardless of who they might be. if someone hates a person for being women/black people/brown people/Jews etc then they are just fucked in the head and heart. i think you might be confusing my disgust with their personal choices for hate, but say a bill was proposed that would directly and harmfully impact the life of someone i disagree with, i would vote against that. i don't want people having a hard life. now say a bill was proposed to grant additional rights to the trans gender individuals which begins to erode rights and spaces specifically designated for the female sex, then those trans genders are not seeking equality and that too, i would vote against. clearly compassion is viewed differently by both sides too, since you believe it to be compassionate to tell a trans gender women that he is a women. i believe it to be compassionate to tell trans gender women that he is a man. no other self generated belief someone has about themself are affirmed except for gender...

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