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No the west did not want a confrontation with Russia/Putin. Merkel tried to reign in Putin with Gas.

Putin wanted the confrontation and started to attack Ukraine, killing people for no other reason than his ego.

US has expensive fuel and not the right one and also still trades its oil internationally and facing a huge price increase for millions, it also has to pay a lot more money for fertilizers.

The oil of venezuela is the wrong kind of oil and can't just be bought and processed by the USA with a snip of a finger. They have to build/change their refineries for it.

Minsconstrued in the media? Russia will not attack Europe because Putin knows he is gone the moment he starts attacking Nato.

Yeah lets have a PROPER discussion and not some right-wing telegram magic group thinking wanna be intelligence experts. After Ukraine, Moldovoa, Belarus and others would have fallen.

This proxy war is a realltive good outcome especially after what russia was doing the last 15 years: Propaganda manipulation in the west and killing of people with toxins and intervening / playing armsdealer to Africa with conflicts against France.

>Merkel tried to reign in Putin with Gas.

It's rein.

It's also nonsense, Russia had Germany on a leash, you cannot seriously believe Merkel was playing Putin.

And that leash was NorthStream? C'mon, it's not a leash when (1) both parties can stop the flow if they want, and (2) if both parties seem to be doing just fine with the leash/pipe no longer functioning.

Man you sure like russian propaganda from A to Z, the logic is simply not there as russia doesn't operate on logic but oligarchic mafia power pyramids with their own selfish goals.

Most of things you write are bullshit to be polite, lies and more lies directly from petrohrad's GRU troll farms. Its aimed for folks with below-average IQ and it works surprisingly well (given it uses psychology us-vs-them to split given population into similar silos for further processing and attack on negative emotions which is not rocket science).

Just an example of your bullshit - if Germany's half of industry is directly depending on that gas, there is no way they can turn it off just like that. It took them significant amount of time to find other sources and increased their final prices, and part of current industry decline making them less competitive. So much for who owns that leash, but those are facts, so just secondary topic for such folks.

You know, lies can be put out eloquently so they work at least a bit. Definitely not what you put here.

> Merkel tried to reign in Putin with Gas.

The key word there is tried. "wandel durch handel" means "Change through trade" (1). That's what Germany tried, it was a part of their foreign policy.

Now we all know that it did not work with Putin's Russia, but that was not the claim made by Germanioum. It is not nonsense that they tried. Even if they tried and failed.

Sentences often make more sense when you read all of the words in them.

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandel_durch_Handel

If that was their plan it was incredibly naive, or maybe this is just propaganda to convince suckers that they were trying to do something.

Generally speaking if you want to have some negotiating power you don't make yourself completely dependent on the counterparty.

I never thought of Germany as a nation of morons but maybe it's time to revisit that.

> If that was their plan

If you are still in doubt about this, I urge you to read the article linked above. Or google the term. I assumed that it was something that "everybody knows" but apparently not.

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