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What do you mean? It's the fact that previously the 20x plan cost $200 (and is 10x now) and now 25x is $500.

If it was a 50x $500 plan it would be a different story.

For less than the cost of this plan, you can get ChatGPT Pro 200, Claude Max 5x, and Kimi Code. At least that's what I'm doing, and the model diversity does help with adversarial code review loops.

Agreed. In my testing yesterday GPT 6 Sol still beat Opus 5.5 on code review (of GPT written code in this case)

6.1 will probably perform even better.

Opus 5.5 is better in that regard than Fable 5.1 except for some bugs with more complexity which it was uniquely suited to.

At this point, why even bother with subscriptions and other packaged products of these model providers anyways. It’s just an extra hassle of juggling between them plus it introduces additional data privacy concerns.

Do things in a sustainable fashion and treat these models like the swappable commodity that they are by using them via abstraction layers. Bonus point is that you might be surprised how much more you can get for your money by intelligently optimizing specific model usage.

This approach is fun and rewarding but I think it makes sense to do this if/when models really stall out. Right now opus 5.5 is... amazing. I wouldn't use anything else.

Subscriptions are still subsidized over API, so just like Uber I'll continue to milk them until I can't anymore (Uber back in the 2010s was incredible, you could get damn near anywhere for less than 5 bucks or so).

> Uber back in the 2010s was incredible, you could get damn near anywhere for less than 5 bucks or so

Back then the trips were subsidised by VC money, and also the drivers were contractors, so far lower internal costs for Uber.

Correct, just as AI companies now are subsidized by VC money.

The drivers are still contractors and get very little of the ride money unless demand is high. Uber has been very successful at legislating carveouts for rideshare drivers to protect its margins.

That’s the point from Tibo’s tweet:

“Over time, we see prices go low enough that it makes sense for most to buy usage as needed without there being a significant gap between what you get in a subscription and what you get in the API for a dollar spent.”

If you actually consume all quota for every session subscriptions are VASTLY cheaper per token than API.

Your concern is legit. Pro is a personal plan under OpenAI's consumer privacy policy: "When you use our services for individuals such as ChatGPT, Sora, or Operator, we may use your content to train our models." As for the API it goes under the business one: "By default, we do not use your business data for training our models."

Claude has the same personal-professional split. Free, pro and Max have trained by default since Anthropic's policy change in August 2025. API and team plans didn't. Choosing between one and another is also choosing a training default. The subscriptions offers the opt-out setting, Data Controls for ChatGPT and Account settings for Claude, and it's worth checking before paying.

> For less than the cost of this plan, you can get ChatGPT Pro 200, Claude Max 5x, and Kimi Code.

Be a better friend to yourself. Value your time more.

Yikes. I'm not the poster you're responding to, but

1. In this absolutely wild era of model progress, with frontier and near frontier models leapfrogging themselves seemingly on a weekly basis it's good to get experience with a variety of providers

2. This isn't exactly hard with OpenRouter!

3. I've had very good results having models from one provider critique plans and code written by models from another provider. Can't do that without subs to at least two providers

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