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Lock-in is easy with these agents because they NEED all of your data to be useful, and they will continue to learn internally about you.

But ultimately the AI company CAN choose to just make all the data exportable and open source their product for self-hosting. (The mainstream ones won't, of course, they want to lock you in and hide their AI prompts and algorithms.)

I think what is sorely needed is a version of Dots/Muse without lock-in risk but is still accessible to regular people unlike Openclaw.

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https://blackbear.app, literally been building this for almost a year

I don't think export is necessary. Most of the value is in the context, you can always prompt your agent to vomit all of its context out into markdown files in some repo and then pass it on to the next agent

I agree. FWIW I'm trying to build a wordpress-like AGPL 3.0 thing (holdout.com) that lets you import your existing chats, has feature parity with the frontier consumer apps, rich plugin marketplace, and hopefully lets people feel more in-control, and able to sacrifice less of their entire lives to one walled garden.

i'm usually not one to defend europe's (over-)regulation, but having ownership of such data and being able to direct it to other providers for easy switching is one of the pillars of a lot of data related regulation

so either they can forget about their moat or forget about the continent with those practices

Yep, that's what I think and wrote on my blog. My hope is that the inference providers should provide a managed service like it. It's also in their best interest to do so, because if they don't and these provider hosted agents become the norm, demand for independent inference would drop.

> It's also in their best interest to do so, because if they don't and these provider hosted agents become the norm, demand for independent inference would drop.

I disagree with this part. AI companies will want to try their damndest to control distribution of AI, so that they can enshittify later.

Consumers conscious of this will want an alternative, of course. Might be niche similar to how Kagi is in search because big tech will always have a AI inference cost advantage + making users the product (extra $ from ads & purchase cuts) + the good old strategy of dumping.

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