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> With Luna < Terra < Sol < Astra it's obvious at a glance.

It.. is?

It’s not… why do I need to translate from Latin (or wherever these come from) to understand them? Opus, Sonnet, and Haiku do the same thing, and are widely known words. Not to mention all LLMs do is generate tokens; I prefer the homage to writing over a space reference.

Boy wait till you find out where "opus" comes from.. Do you realize how many words from Latin you used in that comment?

When was the last time you heard anybody say "opus" or "sonnet" before this?

Also it implies that "haikus" are inherently inferior to longer texts which may be kinda frown-inducing..

It's not supposed to be about superior and inferior, it's supposed to be about bigger and smaller.

Fable kind of screwed that up, though.

TIL everyone knows Terra means the planet earth (not a prefix for ground) and everyone knows Astra means a star that isn’t the sun

Wait till you learn that earth means the planet and also the ground

So you agree that Luna vs Terra is less clear than Haiku vs Sonnet?

I find Luna vs Terra more clear. I know what a haiku is only because it hss some sort of hype factor among certain crowds. But I have no idea what a sonnet is, I heard of the word but never seen or written one. Opus vaguely reminds me of something in Greek mythology but also no idea what that, let alone the apparent implication that it's supposed to be longer than a sonnet.

I'm not a big fan of poetry but I think it's bit depressing if you've never seen a sonnet or even heard of the concept.

Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?

If you want to be pedantic, Earth is the planet and earth is ground/soil.

Also in some languages without letter case though

haiku (the model family) was not inherently inferior to its larger, more expensive siblings. Sometimes you prefer a cheap, fast model, just like how sometimes you prefer a shorter poem.

> When was the last time you heard anybody say "opus" or "sonnet" before this?

Not a lot, but occasionally. I was familiar with the words.

> Also it implies that "haikus" are inherently inferior to longer texts which may be kinda frown-inducing..

It really doesn't.

The one real weakness of Anthropic's naming is that Fable doesn't fit. A fable is typically a fairly short story whereas I think of an opus (if a written work) as being at least a long book and maybe a whole collection of books.

you just know they considered "novel" and "epic" internally and decided against both for being too normal

I think Fable was meant to compare with Mythos - it's not continuation of the seuqence, but a frame shift.

Everyone who speaks English knows Luna Terra Sol and Astra… no one cares what you prefer

“I’m right and you’re wrong” type reply

Yeah, the redditification of HN is ripe in these AI related threads.

I always thought I knew English. I suppose it's better to find out now.

But those aren't actually English words. Are you sure you know English?

> Opus, Sonnet, and Haiku ... are widely known words.

You are serious?

yes, each of these things are larger than the other

If that holds then the ultimate model must be called Urmom

and wth is an "astra"?

"Ad Astra" my guy. "To The Stars"

Many of which are thiccer than our beta ass sun

Pretty badass name tbh

My brain immediately translated "Luna -> Terra -> Sol -> Astra" to "Moon -> Earth -> Sun -> Galaxy", an overall growing of size. While sure, "astra" doesn't directly translate to "galaxy", it's the base of the word "astronomical" and "astronomy".

I feel like people who don't get it immediately are just being deliberately obtuse.

I don't doubt that you feel that way, and there's no way I can really provide you any evidence. But I wasn't trying to be obtuse.

Astra means stars.

The more obvious, to me, interpretation was distance from us so I would've expected Terra -> Luna -> Sol -> Astra.

When I think of space and astronomical scales, I think of distance as much more common concern.

yup I thought the same but had no idea wtf astra was. Some meteor belt I wasn't aware of or something? A moon on Jupiter? Idk wasn't obvious to me.

i think you underestimate how much you "just getting it" stems from being terminally online - this is a HN model release thread after all

> I feel like people who don't get it immediately are just being deliberately obtuse.

Okay. I don't believe that you got it immediately.

i think ai bros just don't read much

Why when we can just say "use simple words"?

Of course, by perceived size the order would be:

terra, sol == luna, astra

it really isn’t

clear would be something like

piss-cheap - it’s-alright-i guess - okay-relax - ouch-my-wallet

It's a language-nerd joke he made. You have to know some Latin basically or enough Latinate roots. Those are the Latin-ish words for, in the same order: moon earth sun stars. So it's obvious in the sense of, it's increasing in size (assuming stars is the collection of all of them while the sun is just one of all the stars or one example of its parent category).

Bigger => Bigger, makes sense to me.

It isn’t ? ;) celestial bodies Are memorable

Yes. Also, celestial bodies are not ordered. And remembering them doesn't do anything for estimating the power level of a particular LLM named after it.

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