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4% isn’t much in the grand scheme of things and again, yes you have to be able to prove the intent. Pretty basic legal principle. It could be 85% and that wouldn’t by itself prove genocide.

Do you guys even bother being minimally informed before commenting? Like, Wikipedia is right there…

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Hey I found this wiki page for you, hope you enjoy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intent_and_incitement_in_the_G...

You (and the contributors to that particular article) seem to not know the difference between war crimes (which Israel has probably committed) and genocide, which is much more onerous to prove. What you should be doing is looking at how genocide is defined generally and at how genocide cases have been prosecuted historically. Only by changing the goalposts of how genocide is defined can you attempt to construe what’s happening in gaza as genocide, which is what that article (which presupposes that what is happening in gaza is genocide by its title, obliterating any notion of objectivity) does throughout.

Put simply, if you use any legally accepted definition of genocide (as a matter of the historical record) then what is happening in gaza doesn’t even come close. And of course the legally accepted definition is ultimately all that matters. That’s very different from whether laymen think it’s genocide because what’s happening hurts their feelings.

You asked for evidence of intent and you got a long list of Israeli officials currently in power doing just that.

Since you like wikipedia here's a list of organizations that say its a genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanitarian_and_human...

The legal definition, which is not just "kill all the peoples" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

Also current legal proceedings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide#Legal_proceeding...

Is wikipedia is Hamas now?

Sorry, can you point me to the part where an Israeli military or political leader has expressed the view that all or some Palestinians should be murdered because they are Palestinians?

I missed that part when I looked, and for that I apologise.

Is that supposed to be the definition of genocide? Laughable.

Keep moving the goalpost I guess

Look up the word in the dictionary big guy. Also read actual case law on the subject before commenting on HN about it.

You got the legal definition.

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    Killing members of the group;
    Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

-https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

I think my conversation with you has run its course. I hope you learned something today. Do better next time.

It sounds like you're suggesting that everything Hitler did was okay except for the part where he said "I want to exterminate the Jews"?

Are you a bot?

I said what Israel is doing is not genocide as that word is defined as a matter of law. Where the fuck did I say that what was happening in gaza is a good thing or 'okay'?

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