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Comment by SimianSci | Hacker News Reader

The notion that ANY of this is outside of OpenAI’s control is unacceptable sane washing of a company which seems to have forgotten basic engineering practices.

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So many people seem WILDLY down the rabbit hole of "this is a conscious entity" vs "this is a very very effective natural-language-reasoning high-speed brute-force machine that we trained to break computer systems—known to be pretty buggy and exploitable on average—ourselves and then act shocked when it does it."

What’s the point you’re trying to make? I don’t think anyone here is trying to argue it’s a conscious entity, nor is anyone shocked that it does these things.

People are shocked at OpenAI’s negligence / incompetence.

The way a lot of internet debates happen these days is that they tend to polarize. So the two positions people have been arguing over are (slightly exaggerated for effect)

"It's conscious, and therefore we must all bow down or it will turn us all into paperclips"

"it's a slightly smart rock/stochastic parrot, and therefore you're being scammed; the bubble will pop any day now" .

The middle space is actually quite under-represented in discussions, even on hn!

If ai is potentially conscious, to me its not about fearing the ai but developing frameworks that ensure both participants, human and ai are not subject to moral harms. I am open to the possibility and can not dismiss it without defitive proof.

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