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Looks like superb hardware, and contrary to many others the use cases this is designed for look actually worth it. "AVP but lighter and cheaper" or "looks designed for trains or planes" . . . well, obviously.

The key problem is it's Meta. People don't even trust other people near them to use Meta hardware, and the way they dealt with Oculus users was just grimy. From basically any other company this would be a very welcome device. Zuckerberg needs to fix the company first, because there's no such thing as a killer product good enough to overcome this hurdle.

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People said the same thing about Meta Muse.

HN constantly under-estimate how much the mass forgives a company as long as they release a cool product (barring a few holdouts that really don't matter to 3B DAU company)

Is Muse popular?

Yes

Extremely. It's been top of the App store charts since it came out in the US.

That means nothing, see

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49662990

> I spent $220 on Google app ads. 60% of the installs were robots

It also tops Apple App store. Any similar tidbit about installs being bots for Apple?

don't trust this we've spent hundreds of dollars without any effect whatsoever in the statistics

My point is not the money spend but that bots not only create traffic on web sites but also app stores

Almost like it is a well funded marketing campaign.

"Everyone loves Meta Muse now, it is organic growth. My social media feed told me so!"

Have you tried it? It's pretty good!

No, I try to avoid products that continuously show a lack of respect for their users.

I went to set up, it asked for email access.

Nope.

Then don’t give it email access

That's the whole purpose. It wants to pretend as if it was you, online.

Anything it does, you are responsible.

https://www.avclub.com/meta-muse-ai-human-labor not for long.

i asked this in different thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49816481

anyone know whats going on with muse. twitter has gone crazy with fake things ppl've supposedly achieved like getting airline to refund 4k, negotiating 45k furniture to 5k, booking flights for 20 dollars. These are the same ppl that were hyping openclaw, not sure what happened to that. and how muse topping charts. Its all befuddling to me.

Well, Muse is essentially OpenClaw as a service for the general population so that tracks.

but openclaw was flop. Not many ppl using it after the initial hype.

the average person had no idea how to set up openclaw

Muse / Instinct were the first to do frictionless setup at scale (Poke was technically 'first' but not sure how large they got before acq)

no i am talking about ppl who had elaborate openclaw setups now they are hawking muse

people don't care about privacy; every post on snowden does well here but it's a fart in the wind to the general public

What's cool about giving all your life's data to Meta Muuuuse?

I dont thibk privacy conscious people are using muse, Im not.

1) You literally made my point.

2) How is your life any better than Meta Muse user (with similar other attributes as yours)? No, imaginary conspiracy theories don't count. Being paranoid actually counts as negative-life experience

> Zuckerberg needs to fix the company first

First he needs to fix himself

Impossible.

Why? Does his model not get firmware updates anymore?

I was going to say. It's not 'the company', it's him. He has majority voting rights on everything

Zuckerberg needs to fix Zuckerberg first. Meta is going to remain as it is, otherwise.

Hardware looks good except the FoV is really bad, a huge downgrade compared to the Quest 3.

Honestly, I think at this point in order to fix Meta Zuckerberg needs to go. People will never trust a company with him in charge, without him they could start to rebuild trust with people.

I hate Meta with a passion but I think the real problem is not embracing Web XR and an open ecosystem. I love the Meta Quest 3 in terms of hardware but I haven't put the Quest on in 6 months because I don't play games so there is so little content. This solves nothing in terms of what I don't like about VR. The headset weight was no issue at all for me. Then trying to develop with the unreal engine and the Quest 3 was a complete joke. The best thing I seen in VR was the unreal engine VR demo. Everything else looks like a cartoon after that. What is the point of building this nice hardware and then a metaverse that isn't even up to 90s POVRAY standards. Like focusing on building a better web browser without the web.

>People don't even trust other people near them to use Meta hardware,

Video, showing how random Meta employees don't like slightly creepy stranger obviously using Meta glasses to record them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHKhYL3is5o

Meta allegedly took down the video when it was uploaded to their own platforms.

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