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Whilst I do like reading these things for technical know how, I can sympathise with the creator of jev who now presumably has to apply an order of magnitude effort to explain why the 100 smaller things done better than this add up to a much better product.

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Replace 'explain' with 'sell'. Don't forget that it's a gold rush. There's no reason to sympathize with corporations in their rush for the slice of the pie.

You can be unsympathetic to the corporation’s bottom line while being sympathetic to the human beings that had their work trivialized by some cocky blog post.

You can also just acknowledge that we don't know what they did (and that is because they chose not to tell us). Apparently, until not so long ago Jev would spell out its identity as Q-w-e-n if asked, so we might as well assume that what they did is at least similar to what this blog poster did (who chose to tell us).

I didn't know that - I revoke my OP if true!

My source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49783999#49785351 I don't have an account so couldn't check, a friend couldn't replicate with a one-letter attempt (first letter A 50%) - performed by his agent, though, so not sure what he did exactly.

As a commercial artist seeing some pretty serious market disruption based on models that used my art and writing to create, without permission, credit, or compensation, I’d have a hard time not punching anyone in the AI business complaining about other people using their work uncredited. Then I’d probably have a real hard time not doing it a few more times. I’m confident I’d settle for just dressing them the fuck down, but it would take some real restraint.

IT's the infamous "OneDrive in 10 lines of code (SFTP)"

While technically correct, it's not the same thing

It's not the same thing but it have advantages Jev don't have like ... being local.

From what I’ve learned about Jev I feel it’s just a very successful marketing campaign to developers not fully understanding data science (and deep learning). It’s nothing new, been around since 2022? Being local is an extreme advantage lol.

Fast and accurate general purpose classifiers DID NOT EXIST before Jev. You could either use an LLM to get a slow and accurate general purpose classifier, or you could use a smaller model to get a fast and inaccurate general purpose classifier, or you could fine tune your own model that would be both fast and accurate, but it wouldn't be general purpose.

But we still don't have a fast and accurate classifier.

All we have is a company that claims to have created one, with no proof.

I've seen enough proof to convince myself, but unfortunately I don't have enough to convince you. Maybe others will publish proper evals.

Except in this case it's not technically correct. Jev's claim is that it's frontier intelligence and these guys are pretending that a 8-bit quantized 0.6B param Qwen model is that. There's no universe in which that claim is technically correct.

Isn’t Jev built on top of Qwen?

Is Jev built on top of 8-bit quantized 0.6B param Qwen model? No.

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