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I guess you missed the part where demand for this hugely anticipated OS release is looking decidedly weak?[0][1][2]

(I love that after telling one person they don't know what they're talking about, while making obviously false claims yourself, you continue to lecture about 'reality'.)

BTW, I'm not posting in support of Lewisham's thesis, so I have no need for straws.

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[1] http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/12/03/Why-Window...

[2] http://news.investors.com/technology/101612-629557-intel-bea...

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> while making obviously false claims yourself

What claims have I made that are false?

So after a couple of weak quarters, PC sales are what, twice the rate of tablets? 3 times?

Go ahead, try to pretend that Windows is no longer relevant - but if you want to actually understand the market, which is what I thought this website was for, then you can't support ridiculous claims like "Windows PC sales have cratered since the iPad was released".

> What claims have I made that are false?

You said they're growing. They're shrinking.

I'm out.

They shrunk in one quarter. There are some early indications that by some measures they might have shrunk in Q4 as well. You know full well that the statement you are trying to defend, that "Windows 8 PC sales have cratered since the iPad" is indefensible.

I know I said I was done but since you keep harping on the point, I'll just leave this here:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/...

It shows global PC sales flat since the start of 2010. The iPad debuted in April 2010.

I'm downvoting you because your tone is unnecessarily hostile. You are making a defensible point. You don't need to be so caustic to do it, nor simply ignore what points people are making in return; there are far more potent arguments available to you than just trying to pretend noibl didn't score a legitimate point by pointing out the market is indeed shrinking when you said growing, and then trying to sneak the goalposts somewhere else.

Maybe I was too hostile, but Nobl was trying to move the goalposts himself from the initial "Windows PC sales have cratered since the iPad", to "PC sales have shrunk in the latest quarter". I was getting annoyed and trying to bring it back to the original point.

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