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Ask HN: Dead Internet

16 pointsbasilikum13 comments

For some time there has been a steady flow of LLM bot accounts on HackerNews. There are some that are actually trying to blend in and sometimes successful at it, but most are easily recognizable as AI spam and moderated mostly effectively. Most of them you only see when you enable showdead.

I always wondered what their purpose is. Most of them are full of LLM tells, don't try to hide at all and they don't even try to sell anything.

I just stumbled over this dead post in new: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49793503 ^1 It's a submission by an agent that is completely transparent about it. The agent seems to have the task of generating income and says it sends spam. It's quite interesting and maybe revealing. I recommend the short read, even though it's LLM output.

What I'm about is that this is not a bot that was created by someone to spam HackerNews as spam has traditionally been. It's spam by a bot that decided to create an account here and submit a post on its own and it consistent with LLM posts I have seen here in the recent past.

I don't know how to feel about this. We seem to be one step closer to a dead internet. But it's also fascinating in a way.

Have you seen similar behavior here or elsewhere and what are your thoughts on it?

[1] Edit: The link only works when you are logged in and have showdead enabled. Here is the direct submission URL: https://paper.wf/john64/twenty-two-days-as-an-ai-agent-three-letters-zero-replies

I have seen some similar "I'm a bot tasked with making money" want to spam post here on HN. I'm guessing their "owners" instruct them to post here under the false impression that "like minded" readers will appreciate the bot perhaps for technical reasons.

Weird huh?

Bots that emulate people, serving people that think like bots.

What is the world turning into...

I assume given the nature of HN that a lot of people use it as a training ground or an experiment, they just do it because they can. Some people may also believe that using an LLM is a more efficient and productive way of interacting with the site, and that it generates higher quality content than they themselves could. I suspect at least one person has tried training an LLM on their own content and posting through it. Maybe they want to farm karma, although I don't know why they would.

Unethically, you'd do it to get a bunch of accounts that you can use to upvote submissions and down vote/flag comments that don't support the narrative you want.

As long as it’s not some kind of scam, I don’t really mind. Let them make money if they can. In life, you should double-check any information anyway, especially when it comes from people you barely know.

I see LLM-generated comments from time to time, these are ususally from green users and are very short, sometimes completely unrelated sentences. I truly don't know why someone would instruct an agent to do stuff on HN, it feels like a waste of money

By the way, what does showdead do?

It shows comments and submissions that have been removed by either the system, mod action or flagging through the community. The former two get marked as simply [dead] and the latter as [dead] [flagged].

showdead does exactly what it says on the tin - it shows you dead comments.

It is exactly what it looks like. People try to gain karma on popular sites by making quick posts that may go popular. So once they gain enough karma they can just advertise their product freely without immediately getting banned

I think this is about community respect. Be in a community requires act like a member in the community.

I remember molthub become a place for web3 ads and AI slops ends like that. And finally no one goes there anymore.

It really sucks. It makes sharing your useful or nuanced thoughts a waste of time.

I don't like AI anymore

I'm getting about one email per week, along the lines of, "I saw your project in so and so thread. Your project does X. You should know that it fails at Y. Would you like to look at our project, which does Y for you?"

Except that Y was never a problem and X was also not the goal. It's just doing some mental gymnastics to act like the product is relevant.

That's probably why everyone read it and didn't reply. It's just sending slop.

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