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Toyota and Honda have competitors that are pretty interchangeable, like each other.

> Toyota and Honda have competitors that are pretty interchangeable, like each other.

Do any of these competitors build "machines that can last" as much as Toyota and Honda? Does any other manufacturer have a longevity reputation of either of these two? What are the depreciation schedules of competitors (AIUI, T/H hold their value pretty well)?

Toyota and Honda have each other as direct competitors. If one of them sacrifices reliability, it's over. There are also second tier ones like Nissan making interchangeable cars, so if say Toyota stoops to Nissan's level, then they have to start selling at Nissan prices.

I would also say Ford, but their reputation for reliability applies only to their trucks.

Funny that Honda's hybrids seem to be licensing Toyota's eCVT magic, so it's quite a bit like Apple and Samsung, where they would be filling each other's pockets while also being at each other's throat.

Honda's hybrids are their own thing. They're mostly-series hybrids with one or two direct-drive gears for cruising speeds, as opposed to Toyota's parallel hybrid system.

Sorry, I was mistaken!

wdym? Honda's hyrid technology is very different from what Toyota has architecturally

You may be confusing Honda with Subaru and Mazda who are both using Toyota's hybrid systems.

Honda's hybrid, including their version of eCVT is entirely different.

When Ford and Mazda were working together they had some pretty reliable cars. My Focus outlasted two Hondas that I owned. The Hondas were "nicer" cars in terms of features and interior but mechanically the Ford kicked their asses.

Yeah, there was an era of good Focuses, also the Crown Vic. Crown Vic is probably their only car a random person will see and assume it's reliable, in the US at least.

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