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> although being Android based it's not really an option for me. It'd be like trading a Porsche 911 for a Pontiac Aztec.

I use GrapheneOS for my own phone and have always been forced into iPhones at work.

iOS, after 12 years of use, is still so terrible that I can't just get over it.

I open my MacBook and will do whatever needs to be done from there.

I should probably get an iPhone for private use too though. It would surely stop me from being on my phone more than I'd like to.

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Android doesn’t have a single decent calendar app. The apps that do exist and are cross platform are _almost always_ a worse version of the iOS app. I tried making the switch to Graphene and even after giving in and using the Play store to find apps, it was just impossible.

The launchers were fine, but the app experience being abysmal just made Android a non-starter. I don’t understand how people don’t see this.

RCS didn’t even work as well as it does on iPhone.

And this isn’t a walled garden comparison - I don’t use iCloud or any Apple services aside from iMessage (for people who don’t have signal).

Try using a self-hosted calendar on Android - absolutely impossible if you have any expectation of it being usable. And no, an unreliable third party app that promises to sync in the background does not count, mostly because it doesn’t work well. iCalendar works. You should not need to buy Business Calendar 2 to get a worse version of what iPhone users get for free.

There are a half dozen apps at least I could tell a similar story about.

I disagree strongly with "iCalendar works". Basic sync to Google Calendar causes weird artefacts and notifications (like getting event invites for events that are already accepted).

I also strongly dislike the iOS Calendar UI, though that's possibly also because of iOS itself being rather unintuitive. Floating buttons in four corners of the screen just isn't very clear. In my opinion Google Calendar, even on iOS, is much better. More reliable on iOS too, but Google's app syncing better with Google's servers isn't really a good comparison.

I have no problem syncing with DAVx5 across various iCal sources on my phone. iOS seems pretty funky about its protocol requirements (and if it fails to understand the protocol, it's hard to tell why it failed). Apple practically invented the protocol, they should offer some kind of explanation of why it's not working.

That said, I do think Google should invest more into getting third party calendar support into their GCalendar apps. I don't want to need a third party app even if the app works fine, it should be part of the standard calendar app.

The nice thing about calendar app is it uses a system-wide database that other apps can use. So my TickTick app can show my self-hosted Synology calendar events alongside my work Outlook calendar events, and TickTick doesn’t have to do anything special. Android has a similar system but the integration is far less consistent and Google Calendar (the only calendar app approaching decent) doesn’t play nice with it.

The big differentiator is speed of input. On iOS I can drag and drop to move, and also to adjust the start and end time of events, all without clicking into every event. This is huge if you time block your day. It was insane to me that Android just couldn’t support this workflow without being brutally, painfully slow.

> Floating buttons in four corners of the screen just isn't very clear.

It’s just a toolbar with a transparent background. I don’t see how that causes confusion. It’s not like they move around or something. And this pattern is used in basically all apps. Not nearly as bad an abomination as the FAB, IMO.

I absolutely agree. I tried switching to Android but calendar and task support is abysmal on Android if you don’t use Google Suite. I simply do not trust that any of those 3rd party Android apps will do the job. Too many times something disappeared, hasn’t updated, or otherwise failed. The UX is also a complete clusterf*k. It’s seriously bad and I assume people don’t talk about it much because most use Google services anyway.

Oh you know what as someone who has used android from the start ever since i had a smartphone. You are 100% correct the only halfway decent calendar app is Google Calendar and even that is mostly meh.

I seriously don't understand what people are doing on a phone that iOS doesn't handle. I'd love to know what kind of interesting use case someone like yourself gets up to.

I use termux to ssh and RealVNC to connect to a remote vnc session, all over a wireguard VPN.

Also Syncthing to automatically sync files between the phone and my home server. I download podcasts and audiobooks into a folder on the server and they're automatically on my phone ready to play.

Immich to connect to my self-hosted media. And ntfy to get notifications from my home stuff.

Tasker to automatically activate my wifi hotspot for the car's Android headunit when it sees the car's bluetooth.

I have another tasker job to take the 2-factor authentication numbers from SMS and forward them to ntfy, so I don't even have to look at the phone, I get a popup on my PC with the 2-factor code.

And the best of all, Firefox with uBlock Origin add-on and Revanced Apps. Because ads are cancer.

And I still have a headphone socket.

Can all that be done on iOS?

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