Background: Dutch, had a few years of English education starting at iirc 11yo (but we also had French and don't parle me avec that so that was really just foundational), got fluent mostly just from chatting in videogames

We were never taught adjective ordering, at least that I remember, since the concept was new to me a few years ago (I'm 32). It seems natural to me, but of course it's entirely arbitrary and so it must be that I simply picked it up from reading other people's English (many of whose was not native either, so that it still worked is actually interesting)

True. That's also a big ambiguity to me. But for some reason I never cared about it as much :/