BYD Slashes Price of Electric Car and Becomes Cheapest in Australia [video]
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I'm not an economist nor a mathematician, so I will not claim that this is a good expression of the economic impact of these restrictions. But I will say that the average American does not care about which country his or her car originates from. They care about navigating our crumbling infrastructure through the only means possible, the car. We have no reliable public transport in 99% of this country nor alternative modes of transport. We are forced to buy cars.
It seems unfair to me that the average American, who is making less and less per year after we adjust for inflation and purchasing power, should be forced to carry the burden of a technologically backwards industry that is still pumping out millions of gas-powered vehicles, which are not only bad for the environment, but are even more expensive to operate compared to the cost of electric cars per mile.
Our country does not think ahead, all of our decisions just temporarily patch our longstanding issues. America is screwed.
But it's definitely more complex than just money saved = money spent elsewhere
"BYD has sold 19,241 fully electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles in Europe last month, a 255% soar from the same period a year ago."
Small numbers, but I am pretty sure they're in Europe. https://eletric-vehicles.com/byd/byd-sales-in-europe-more-th...
Edited: Tariffs vary across Europe, particularly in non EU nations.
There will probably be a lot more starting next year since they are building a factory in the EU which is scheduled to start production at the end of this year. That bypasses tariffs.
The Chinese government is effectively giving all manufacturers 0% financing and raw materials at cost.
And even still, BYD executives have come out and said their pricing is not sustainable. The Chinese market is engaging in a massive price war and BYD's strategy is to entrench themselves in new markets with "aggressive" introductory pricing campaigns.
When US companies do it, then it is just good business strategy, investing in growth for future profits.
Yes, the bastion of free market capitalism is no much different than the evil communist countries.
> reciprocity
Funny joke. Everybody laughs. Curtains.
Neither appellation is true and probably never was.
The kind of corporate-socialism that would allow a government to dump cash into an otherwise uncompetitive domestic automotive manufacturer to keep it afloat though, is more an American thing. If American auto manufacturers are right, and BYD is receiving government help, the hypocrisy would be nearly unbelievable
To be sure, I know there are a lot more regulations on car manufacturers now, and tech in the cars, but come on!
Querying Claude: "Manufacturers have responded by prioritizing profit, concentrating inventory at higher price points…", "2026 is the first year in the U.S. with no new car priced under $20,000."
Cars in the US are the ultimate regressive tax. The blue-collar worker that needs a car to get to work, the guy that mows lawns for a living, the maids… Sure, used cars are a thing (my first car in my 1984 was in fact a Datsun B-210 that I paid $400 for). But I think everyone has noticed that used car prices are through the roof as well.
The Japanese came in and handed the US car manufacturers their asses in the 70's. We might need something like that again.
GR Corolla is much better and faster than any supercars of 1970s. Compare price of it with original Countach!
Isn't it just USD/EUR underselling itself? Basically it's full $10k cheaper if you agree to not take it out of Japan. Take home is $10k extra. No?
I have no idea why ICE cars are so pricey nowadays here.
TL;DR: AUD 19,900 driveway (means taxes, registration etc included), or about US$14k. The main limitation is the 220 km (135 mi) range, which is fine for a city runabout but not great for road tripping.
The main downside on long trips is the DC is chamedo, not standard ccs, so there are fewer locations and they are sometimes broken or full.
That said, coupled with home solar to power it, this is a very cheap way to get on the road and I will likely go this direction in future - one of these for the city and something a bit bigger/more rugged to go bush once in a while.
Or: a $2000 Corolla and the rental home you’re already in.
But not that I was off on the price of a houses by a factor of three.
You can get a run down two bedroom weatherboard round the corner from my two bedroom rental unit for around the $1.2 million mark.
BARGAIN!
I want solar and a battery (don’t have it yet, it’s on the list) to cut my energy bills and guard against power cuts anyway.
So neither of these things is an ‘extra’ expense for me getting a small EV.
There are a total of 5 corollas available in Australia for $2k or less. Each one is ratty, beat up and 19+ years old, I wouldn’t want to chance taking any of them on the freeway, and you’d still have to fuel them.
You’re good mate, you’re rich.
Choose a different car for under $5000 then.
It’ll still be cheaper than having to buy a new car, plus house, plus solar & battery.
Also won’t work for anyone living in a unit / flat / appartment, whether they rent or own.
Then why respond to a post in which I say what I'm thinking about doing? You don't care.
> You’re good mate, you’re rich.
I'm not rich, I'm just a homeowner, 66% of the Australian public live in houses they own, so your cost-of-owning-a-house discussion points are irrelevant to most people.
> It’ll still be cheaper than having to buy a new car, plus house, plus solar & battery.
Which most people won't have to do, as they live in houses they have already bought, solar is subsidised, and is useful far beyond EV charging so a lot of people already have it. Plus maybe they can take advantage of the free electricity period tariffs on offer in a lot of states now. Makes this car very cheap for a huge number of people. And that's before we get into the possibilities of novated leasing with zero FBT on EVs.
> Choose a different car for under $5000 then.
No thanks, they're still all shitboxes at that price and they still need to be fuelled. Given that's probably in the range of $2-3k per year on average mileage and current fuel prices, and that I wouldn't expect a $5k car to last all that long, it'll be pretty quick to make up that price difference.
> Also won’t work for anyone living in a unit / flat / appartment, whether they rent or own.
Charging at public points, in car parks etc is still cheaper than petrol mate.
Seriously, why so weirdly bitter about this?
No.
You can pry my turbo diesel work van from my cold dead hands.
Stop fetishizing a way to transfer energy to kinetic energy.
Depends whether you're taking the Birdsville track or the Bibbulmun track really.
The shorter one can be done a on a red postie bike, the longer one won't even need that :-)
But I haven’t got on my bike for a few years now because at the moment all my spare energy goes on managing our plot. There’s always something needs moving, sawing, building, repairing, digging… So I’ve gone from having a (pudgy) cyclist’s physique with very strong calves to more of a farmer’s build with bigger arm and shoulder muscles than I’ve ever had before and a big ‘ol belly.
But in all seriousness I also like to go remote once in a while and access national parks. I’m not going to be hooning it round destroying dunes, but getting to beautiful places like Cape Peron is tough without a the right vehicle.
> without the right vehicle
A loong time ago (late 1970s) I got to traverse the horizontal falls a couple of time in a home made sea kayak after being dropped off "nearby" (and later picked up again) by an old pearling lugger .. pretty low carbon effort that one, just a lot of paddling (and fishing, and digging for fresh water, and dodging the odd shark and salty croc).
Passed an old guy on a pushbike with a trailer on the nullabor in 2010 and just thought “wow, that’s commitment”
€12k in France (where i am) can't get you any new car, even the cheapest ICE Dacia is more expensive than that now.
There is also the Renault Twingo which is in the same class.
That said we do still have a hefty “luxury car tax” for anything over $80k, which is a hangover from when there was an industry here. The government aren’t going to lift that any time soon.
Its current function is to select for expensive trucks over expensive sedans, because trucks are “commercial” and exempt, making our roads less safe overall. Thanks government.
Another part of the picture is that you can more often get away with buying a truck “for business” if you’re a small business-person, regardless of whether it actually ends up being used for that.
And by ‘unsafe’ I mean for pedestrians and they contribute to the vehicle-size arms race on the roads, they’re generally very safe for the occupants.
Also, I think you are underestimating the sheer size and desolate spreaded-outness of Australia.
Australia is more than cities.
Cities can make public transport free and congestion charges if they want to reduce usage of cars.
But there's a few things that make this trickier in Sydney, than, say, much of European cities:
* Sydney is too hot/UV to comfortably cycle between 9AM-5PM for at least 4 months of the year. Maybe tree-lined corridors could help that.
* Sydney is very hilly. It didn't have centuries of being flattened. This makes it challenging, even for experienced commuters. Ebikes could help.
* Sydney has low density: houses are big, detached, and thus spread apart. This makes relevant cycling distances further.
EVs are much more aligned with Sydney, at least for tackling the polluting issues with cars.
But I hope you aren't buying any phones, laptops which indeed have lot of exploitation and sometimes even slave labour (see cobalt mining in DRC). Or not buying any supermarket meat, eggs or milk. It is incredibly easy to pass a moralistic judgement.
With the rising living standards and a looming population cliff due to the one-child-policy wages in China have steadily been rising - and they'll get even higher in the future. Any Chinese industry relying on cheap and mostly-unskilled labor is in serious trouble. They know this, which is why they have been heavily pushing for automation. As a result, companies like BYD have been setting up "dark factories" for a while now.
Want cars made by overworked and underpaid workers? These days that means buying American.