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How long have you been giving visibility to a fascist ideologist? https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

He’s not a fascist.

He Is. If someone thinks that minorities are the problem of majorities and is ready to use its power and force to achieve it's goals, it's called fascism. Go read some Umberto Eco if you want to recognize what is what

The problem isn’t minorities, it’s immigrants who don’t integrate but instead bring criminality into a peaceful society. The problem isn’t that they are a minority, it’s their behavior.

You know what, 90% of rapes are from people close to the victims. Parents, husbands. Get your facts straight. Immigrants bring tax money and workforce. The problem with integration is racist people who don't want them, and keep them without VISAs for years, not offering language courses, relegating them to the margins of society. In the United States, almost no one is native to the continent, nowadays. After WW1 and WW2, Italians flocked to the USA like crazy. You know, the mafia and all the rest. Oh, and the USA has been the most powerful country on the face of Earth anyway, for decades.

> 90% of rapes are from people close to the victims… > The problem with integration is racist people…

No, DHH’s comments were specifically in the context of Denmark where immigrants from Africa and the Middle East commit 300–400% more violent crimes (per capita) than the native Danish while immigrants from Europe, South America, India, the USA, Russia, and China commit violent crimes at rates similar to or lower than the native Danish. The problem is clearly not that the native Danish population are racist, it’s that some immigrants don’t deserve to live there. Immigration is not a right and it is not a universally good thing. It is a gift, and if the recipient abuses the host society then there’s no reason the hosts have to allow them to stay. The Danish are perfectly within their rights to limit the number of immigrants that they accept from Africa and the Middle East on the rational basis that those immigrants are less likely to respect Danish laws. They are perfectly within their rights to deport people who commit crimes on the rational basis that people who commit minor crimes and then don’t get punished for them will go on to commit more crimes, and more serious crimes.

You bring up the Mafia, but they are a major reason why US law allows our government to deport criminal immigrants. They are a major reason why immigrants who request asylum or citizenship must prove that they don’t have a criminal record, either here or back at home. I have no idea what Denmark’s immigration laws look like. DHH certainly states that they need similar ones, or that if they already have them then they need to actually use them.

None of that is racist or fascist.

I'm sorry, you think you're very rational. Immigration is not a gift. It is something that happens and so called States use force to counter that when they don't like it. It's also not a right to not have migrants, it is something you enforce with power police and military. If there are reasons for migrants to be statistically more violent then maybe it's not about their genes but about the system they are put in, the place they get in society, the mismatch with the culture they are coming from and most of all, the lack of active integration. So you don't "have" any rights to deport: you "enforce" deportation. You don't take a statistic done now and apply that as a theorem to justify your racist views. Everything must be understood with context in mind. I can really tell that 100% of people arrested for violence are more violent. Yet this must create no prejudice about the prison population. Turning statistics into prejudice is exactly what fascism is about. Closing the eyes in front of people in need for the needs of the privileged ones, with the violence and entitlement given by the power of government. 100% fascism.

Following that same logic in a vacuum:

The mass shooting problem in America isn't access to mass killing machines, it's white Christian men who don't integrate but instead cause criminality in a otherwise peaceful society.

The problem isn't that they are Christian, it's their behavior.

Two points: we’re talking about rates here. The native population commits violent crimes at a certain rate. That rate is not zero, for all that we wish it were. A certain number of violent crimes, or murders in your example, per 100k people. In Denmark the stats show that immigrants from Africa and the Middle East commit those same crimes at 4× the rate. If you had 100k migrants you would have 4× the number of violent crimes. Those immigrants are far and away more violent than the Danish. There’s just no need for the Danish to put up with that.

Second, your characterization of murders in the US is not very accurate. There’s no shame in that, because most people only know what the news reports and the reporting is generally terrible. Even when there is no deliberate distortion of the facts the journalists just generally don’t know what they’re talking about.

The simple fact of the matter is that that in the USA, most murderers are black. Black Americans commit the majority of the violent crime. Hispanics are somewhere in the middle, and asians have a lower crime rate than whites. And guess what? It is entirely appropriate to say that black Americans have a different culture than white Americans. Everyone already knows that.

It is also appropriate to point out, although it may be less well known, that there are multiple cultures within the black Americans. One of those cultures is the mainstream “ghetto” culture whose characteristics you know. Another is characterized by higher educational attainment, greater family cohesion, greater wealth, and greater access to intergenerational wealth, different accents, manner of dress, different cultural interests (music and whatnot), and a vastly lower rate of violent crime. This is the culture that has successfully integrated into American society.

As far as I know we don't have good statistics about the relative crime rate of immigrants to the US compared to native–born Americans. Our stats tend to focus on race rather than country of origin.

I’m talking about mass shooting rates, where a white guy busts into a school or synagogue and kills children indiscriminately. If you’re a parent in America, you have to live with the fact that rate of occurrence is higher than other countries.

To quote Charlie Kirk’s last words (also killed by a white Christian man), that’s categorized differently than gang violence.

Either way, cherry picking your data to punch down at minorities doesn’t solve the violence and the probability someone in your family is going to get murdered.

Painting migrants with a broad brush as violent people while pretending the “native” society is “peaceful” is racism, which is likely the outcome of the media you’ve selected to consume.

With mass shootings, the stats matter a lot. When it comes to things that come to mind for most of us when we hear the words "mass shooting" - like some guy taking a gun and letting loose at a school, most of the perpetrators are indeed whites, as far as I know. But we also hear a lot of "there's a mass shooting or school shooting every day", and for those, the criteria are typically something like someone started shooting, multiple people (often a very small number) got hurt/killed, and that count ends up including a ton of black-on-black gang warfare.

> Painting migrants with a broad brush as violent people…

This is exactly what I have _not_ done.

The stats from Denmark show that immigrants from specific regions are more violent than native–born Danish. It simultaneously shows that immigrants from _other_ regions are _less_ violent than native–born Danish. Did you not even look at that graph?

It is not racist for the Danish people to pick and choose which migrants they allow into their country.

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