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[Sorry that none of the following is concrete, but perhaps elucidating the paradox contained within might open our minds to .. the shape of the paths to action ?]

Your productive friction (eutripsis? ~ negentropy? Viscosity!!!???) seems like a wonderful concept that the original letter should have flagged to rally the community ( Gowers might not have missed this point if they had a new name for it!)

Tao had a relevant talk about the paradox of efficiency..

https://youtu.be/svl_1upFpQo

It's not clear to me that AI necessarily removes this eutripsis. The threat though, might become real if users don't see the threat :)

Also reminiscent of Keat's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_capability#Reception

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/education/glossary/negative...

Still abstract, but nearer to quantitative (mathematical anthrop(ic)ology even?): ordinary, bad friction is, eg, "size-consistent"

   Coasean Ceiling: organizational size limit where the internal friction of managing a firm consumes all of its energy, leaving nothing left for actual production

So.. for eutripsis, Coasean Floor? Lol

That's a good point. And yeah I got the term from Tao, as I had not described it this way before but I think it elucidates well the issue.

The problem imo is that, from a purely psychological/phenomenological perspective, there is not always a perceivable difference between "eutripsis" and "dystripsis" (just made it up but "dys" is the opposite of "eu") as experienced. There is some reward coming from learning through friction (depending on personal interests, environment etc), but mostly it is effort and humans usually try to reduce or avoid effort.

Moreover, even if one tries to be fully mindful and choose where to employ friction and where not, there could be systemic factors to optimise away any kind of friction. Imo we already see that in software engineering, judging from a lot of different anecdotes, where increasing the pace of generating code sacrifising human understanding is already taking place. It is not like these forces are not already in place widely in academia too even before AI (eg optimising for paper output quantity), so AI reinforcing this direction sounds a reasonably probable scenario, unless some other action is taken.

Ah, contrary to what I mused elsewhere, concreteness can also lead to bad friction

Eg, KPIs, metrics, but of productivity, of "veracity", not understanding

Anecdotes--> better friction than data, sometimes, though :)

How about Inverse Metrics. of simplicity? Parsimony? Shortness of code? (Efficiency/compressibility is a sort of "intensive" metric, so it might not be especially relevant, thermodynamically speaking)

Just taxidermy, stamp collecting, and vibe-anthropologizing here TT

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