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> Dairy farmers have put enough pressure on politicians across the political spectrum

How? I do remember the big protests in the 90s quite well, certainly, but that was 30-some-odd years ago and when, as we saw earlier, there were 300% more diary farmers. Pressure doesn't last forever, especially as you grow into insignificance.

From what I see the pressure comes from the general public, mostly from having built up this idea that supply management keeps "hormone laden" milk out of the market, combined with the people of Quebec seeing any kind of federal "meddling" as an attack on their people.

When longstanding party favourite Maxime Bernier ran for leader of the CPC, the as you say the nominally free market party, on the platform of eliminating supply management it wasn't just dairy farmers who laughed him out of the room. It was everyone. Same thing happened with the early PPC party, before eventually pandering to the crazies to try and find any kind of support. It was quite clearly non-farmers who wanted no part in seeing an end to supply management.

> because the farmers were fuming at higher freight rail prices against other commodities

Words are only worth so much, granted, but when this occurred it was framed as being necessary for the sake of the entire Canadian economy and to preserve Canada's reputation as a trustworthy supplier. The message sent was abundantly clear that it wasn't being done to appease farmers. How do you translate that into farmers having political sway?

> How? I do remember the big protests in the 90s quite well, certainly, but that was 30-some-odd years ago and when, as we saw earlier, there were 300% more diary farmers. Pressure doesn't last forever, especially as you grow into insignificance.

They have an organized lobby that straddles a lot of important ridings in eastern Ontario and parts of Quebec. It also includes a lot of the broader dairy industry. I could accept the argument that it is no longer as powerful as it once was, but I haven't met many non-industry people who care either way. All being equal, Canadians would prefer lower prices, I think. I don't think the general public would have cared, especially if Europe flooded us with cheaper gouda or brie. There has always been a dose of anti-americanism that bounces from healthy to unhealthy and back depending on the geopolitical climate, though.

> when this occurred it was framed as being necessary for the sake of the entire Canadian economy and to preserve Canada's reputation as a trustworthy supplier. The message sent was abundantly clear that it wasn't being done to appease farmers. How do you translate that into farmers having political sway?

CN and CP were already moving records amount of grain that year (IIRC almost 40% above previous records), so to argue that it put Canada's reputation at risk rings hollow. It was because farmers were getting squeezed storing it as well as paying for higher freight costs, on top of the fact that many grain companies and farmers held onto grain from the previous harvest for a variety of reasons. Many grain farmers, who used to have to sell their wheat to the wheat board, got caught flat footed when trying to go out on their own due to then recent deregulation (I'm not convinced this last argument effected things as much as some claim, though).

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