>There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding here that many LLM advocates fall prey to.

I am not an LLM advocate (nor am I an LLM skeptic), I simply observe and think about what I see. So, I guess your comment is not intended for me?

>No one claims (anymore) that LLMs are completely useless. We agree that these tools can boost productivity.

I read this as something a skeptic would write as apologium for himself: "I am stubborn and stick my heels in when presented with something new, first at productivity, but when forced to retreat, now taking a stand at creativity."

but again, you are defending/attacking a point that doesn't apply to me. I wrote originally to say "they learn from humans" was not a good argument against LLMs because humans learn from other humans. (a simple point which was why my comment was simple)

Very few humans are Aristotle, Newton, or Einstein, and those three were as well building on the work of others.