I don't know anything about flying. Is this normal? Doesn't sound like it, but I don't know why the pilots would not have used these things that sound useful.
I don't know anything about flying. Is this normal? Doesn't sound like it, but I don't know why the pilots would not have used these things that sound useful.
Every single thing they could do wrong at, they did.
There are just too many ways to screw up for that ever to be the case.
For instance, they could also have been lined up to land on something other than the runway they were cleared to land on -- see Air Canada Flight 759, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Flight_759, which came within 14 feet of colliding with an aircraft on the taxiway they mistook for the runway..
Similarly, it isn't specified anywhere, but it took TEN FULL SECONDS of contact with the runway between first wheel down and last wheel down. Why didn't spoilers deploy and bring down the third wheel way faster than that? Do spoilers require all three wheels already down? Why, this is exactly what they are for!
There was also 7 seconds between first wheel touchdown and first application of brakes. That would seem to mean they were confused and autobrakes didn't function, but then the third wheel comes down, which should have let autobrakes and thrust reversers deploy, yet the aircraft only lost 14 knots in the 4 seconds between that event and the throttles being moved to go around. That is consistent with only the existing braking effort, which expended a similar speed in the previous 4 seconds. Brake performance may have been reduced by a slick runway maybe.
15 full seconds between first wheel touchdown and an actual decision to go around being executed. 3000 feet is a rather significant portion of any runway.
They hit the ground at 158 knots. 767-300ER rotates at 130 to 160 knots. Given it had burned through its fuel, at the moment they touched down they could have immediately taken back off and gone around.
Given the pilots braked at 146 kts, released at 120 kts to throttle up for G-A, then four seconds later ditched the G-A and re-applied brakes, this sounds like they got stuck between going around and committing to the landing and never quite did either.
Ah, literally the worst thing you can ever do, the in-between. Either go or stop, never do the indecisive middle route. If in doubt, default to stopping, though in this case of course the default is to go-around.
Although... it's probably going to end up the case, as is usual, that were they truly committed to landing and started braking hard right away, they would have ended up fine enough. Indecisiveness kills.
Really that's all that needs to be said at the moment. They had way too much energy[1], which anyone with flight sim or RC experience will recognize as a routine mistake when hand-flying.
The question is why all (all!) the layers of checklists and warnings and process and ATC direction somehow failed in combination to prevent. Yeah, they should have aborted for sure, but they didn't, and we won't know why for a good while yet.
[1] Which can just as easily mean "too high" as "too fast", c.f. the sink rate warnings in the logs which would be consistent with trying to squeeze the airplane down onto the runway. But again we won't know without more data.
I recently learned that you wash/soak the salt off before consuming it. So, are you talking pre or post wash? ;)
Here's a neat video of an accurate reproduction, including a taste test after sitting "in a ship hold" for 7 months! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tWQpJ8kR5U
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1w9jsrb/put_toget...
I'm not a pilot but from my understanding there's a lot of failsafes to ensure things that slow the plane down only trigger when the plane is actually on the ground. Considering that the left gear touched down at 0:19 and pilot called for TOGA at 0:15 they didn't stand a chance.
The pilot flying appears to have been dead set on landing on the first try no matter the cost and the first officer did not intervene as he should have.
They got incredibly lucky and both survived, however likely will never be behind the controls ever again.
Not deploying thrust reversers is normal, not all situations require them. But brakes are terrible when the wings are still flying, so spoilers (if armed as they should) automatically deploy when all wheel sensors report the aircraft is on the ground, so that there will be more weight on the wheels and the brakes can work properly.