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One of the most biased claims IMO in AI 2027 is that a huge portion of the geopolitical and existential risk argument is hinged on the notion that China just steals the US frontier weights.

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Biased how? China has a long history of corporate espionage.

Everyone knows the Chinese are capable of whatever they put their minds to. But stealing IP to skip some steps is part of the system.

good thing US is completely clean

Of course it's a spectrum that all advanced countries exist on, but if you think China and the US are on the same end of the spectrum, that's strange.

The US/China divide is one thing, but if I'm asked whether I trust OpenAI or Deepseek, as companies, more, I'm not sure how I'd answer. I suppose my default is to distrust whoever is in the lead, since the lead is power, and power corrupts.

Yeah Sam Altman doesn't inspire trust. Dario and Musk are a bit better in this regard. I think they both say what they really think. Altman... no way.

Look what's coming out of China, they are catching up on performance and surpassing the US in efficiency. They're on a different level when it comes to open releases of weights.

I don't, to me the entire premise is a bit flawed at it's core (ASI), and I read it like bad science fiction with China playing the bad guy just a narrative crux so we get to the acceleration timeline and warring nation states.

That's what a lot of American companies say.

Wait until you hear about Amazon's practices.

What country is supposed to be counterexample here, with zero history of corporate espionnage?

Anthropic documented even more proof of that yesterday:

https://www.anthropic.com/threat-intelligence-report-septemb...

Distillation is not infiltrating systems and exfiltrating weights.

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