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I'd wait before believing no crease. My Z Fold 8 had basically no crease for the first week, after it has a slight crease that hasn't seemed to get any worse in the 3 weeks since. It's only noticeable in dark room with dramatic down lighting at certain angles, or when display is off, but it IS there. There has been some talk of Samsung actually having a better anti-crease solution than they opted to include in the z fold 8. Apparently their display division and mobile division are pretty separate and mobile only gets what they are willing to "pay for". It's possible apple ponied up for the better tech where Samsung mobile did not this year. But I'd still want to wait until people have had the thing for a few weeks and put it through it's paces before I believe any "no crease" claims.

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I would wait until there's a display model at an Apple Store, then give it a week while it goes through approximately a bajillion fold/unfold cycles, then see what the crease looks like.

The general public is always better at destructive testing than a machine built for that purpose.

Based on what? We only know the failures the machine didn't find, not the failures the machine found and the manufacturer fixed before release.

Because the public always finds a way to use bend destroy in ways that don’t happen in a laboratory in short like a two year-old kid…

Assuming they don't swap it out every night/week.

Speaking of which, when will it be in the stores to play with?

Likely on launch day next month (October 23). Apple doesn't do display units until the day of the launch.

Only people who have not used foldables worry about crease. I've used one for 5-6 years, and even with an older generation it has never been an issue. Half the time it's literally bent, so obviously there is a kink. At this point my screen has hairline fractures down the middle and even that doesn't actually bother me.

Was going to say the same thing. I open this thread about the long-awaited Apple foldable, expecting to see discussion of the aspect ratio, and thoughts on why Samsung changed theirs late in the Fold8 development cycle. But no...it's all about the crease. My theory is that spin merchants invent this kind of drama issue in order for the coverage to seem more interesting. Otherwise it would have been "Apple follows market leader Samsung and other Android vendors with their own foldable". Even though crease-gate looks like negative for Apple it's actually not because the point is to create drama. As you say, nobody who is an actual user cares about the crease.

Creases are maybe the "range anxiety" of the fold world? TBH I had been eyeing foldables for 3-4 years before I got off the sidelines and bought one. My main "wait for the tech to mature" worry was the crease. Now that I finally have one, you are right I wouldn't have cared about the crease. But man I'm glad I waited anyway because the passport aspect ratio turns out to really just make the form factor work. It's been years since I've been truly delighted by a phone upgrade but this thing fucking slaps. I suspect apple people will feel the same about the apple version. It's just the right form factor for the job.

- Opened in portrait it has replaced my kindle.

- Opened in landscape it's the perfect tablet - great for media and web browsing.

- Add a GameSir G8 plus and it replaces handheld gaming device like a steam deck

- Dex mode + a monitor on an arm, keyboard & mouse and moonlight/jellyfin to your main computer and now you have a full fat computer at your couch

- Even closed the front screen is just better. I didn't trade in my Pixel 10 Pro XL because I like to keep one backup phone around. Now when I go to keep it charged it just feels goofily tall by comparison.

I'm probably a fold convert forever at this point. I don't think I'll go back to non-folds. But also I don't think I'll ever buy a non-passport aspect ratio phone again ever if I have the option. The ratio is everything, the crease by contrast doesn't matter a bit.

It might be because of all the time and content that Apple put into the crease. It’s an engineering wonder, but they could tone it down a notch.

Also: if you’re going to charge laptop-grade prices for a phone because it… gets bigger? Well, better make it a really good experience, i.e. no crease that develops fractures later.

Fold 6 user of 2 years now. Use unfolded screen daily. I've never had the crease or even noticed it at all because I'm too busy looking at the content.

It's glass, dude. There's not gonna be a crease.

Plastic glass?

at what temperatures must it be kept to be foldable like this?

Room temperature. Most foldables have a real glass layer (not the top layer though) which somehow bends.

Glass is bendable at room temperature if you make it thin enough.

Case in point: fiber optics.

Thousands of Kelvin.

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